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Do u have your own thoughts or just other people's?
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No. No way. He's not "on the cusp" of the Hall of Fame. He's not close, and has no chance of being elected. This writer should have stuck with his original thought, instead of being swayed by the weakest arguments that can be made for a Hall of Famer. "Extra base hits after age 35"? Yeah, um, that's not a HOF case. The only HOF case that can be made for Gonzalez requires ignoring context completely, and setting arbitrary cutoff points in carefully selected stats that place Gonzalez in a group with other HOFers, and that doesn't cut it.
He's been a solid corner outfielder for a while. That doesn't make him a Hall of Famer. Rusty Staub is just one of many players with better cases than Gonzalez, and he's no Hall of Famer.
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He's just linking to other people's articles in order to stimulate discussion, not necessarily because he agrees with them.Originally Posted by twinsGM
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Luis Gonzalez in the Hall? Yeah, he'll be right in line behind Dave Henderson.
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"Luis Gonzalez hit the 354th homer of his career, a two-run shot in the third off Brett Myers. Gonzalez is tied with Lee May for 74th on the all-time list, one behind Greg Vaughn "
Greg Vaughn!!! Greg -freakin-Vaughn!!!!!! That's your HOF comparison!!!
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Either this article was "Holy crap, I need to write something!" or this guy is nuts.
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Not a chance. Doesn't belong, and won't get voted in.
His numbers are good but not great. He was never even close to the best at his position, let alone one of the best hitters of his generation. He only had 4 or 5 HOF caliber seasons. His best showing ever in the MVP vote was #3. His second best finish? #18!
If he hadn't waited until 31 to learn how to hit VERY WELL, he'd probably have a good case. But his body of work is very unimpressive by HOF standards, his peak didn't last anywhere near long enough, and he pales in comparison to his peers.
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He was in 2001, non-Barry Bonds division...but that's nitpickingAgreed with what you've said...except, I'd say he only really had one HOF caliber season...but that depends on what you mean by "HOF caliber season."
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Nope, no chance he gets in. He was a very good player for quite a while, but he should even get a scent of the Hall of Fame.
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Haha, yes, in the non-Bonds division, he was the best LF for one year, for sure.He was in 2001, non-Barry Bonds division...but that's nitpicking
Gonzalez did have an amazing 2001, no doubt. But even during his 5 year peak, he was on the bubble in the conversation of the game's best outfielders. Bonds, Sheffield, Sosa, Manny, Vlad, Ichiro, Andruw Jones, etc., etc., etc. 5 or 6 of those guys are easily HOFers, and there's little room for the rest of the crop, especially a guy like Gonzalez.
What I mean by 4 or 5 HOF caliber seasons is, if he had been doing that when he "should have" (mid to late 20s) as well, if it were all added up, he'd have a strong HOF case. At one point he was a perennial .320/.400/.550, 30 HR guy. Many HOF have very similar season numbers, only... spread out over 10+ years, instead of 4 or 5. That's the problem with LuGo. He was an average outfielder for the majority of his career.
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what about his 101.5 score on James HOF watch calculation, http://www.baseball-reference.com/ab...ml#hof_monitor
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All that's meant to estimate is the likelihood that a player will be elected to the Hall of Fame. It's not meant to determine whether or not a player is actually qualified. It based purely on statistical benchmarks - http://www.baseball-reference.com/ab...ml#hof_monitor. It doesn't account for era, for instance.
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Yeah, it's not meant to be the end-all-be-all of HOF worthiness. That scoring system is pretty much "for fun" as much as anything. LuGo benefits from racking up a lot of the small points on that thing, or racking up big points for things he did only once.
Gonzalez was a very good player, but he just wasn't that good for that long, he wasn't ever a top-5 OF (except for one season, which hardly counts for anything)... he probably would be on the bubble of a top 10, but only for 4 seasons.
Dale Murphy and Jim Rice were far superior players, and they don't even quite deserve the hall.
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