when was the last time in this thread ANYONE mentioned age?Originally Posted by ohms_law
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when was the last time in this thread ANYONE mentioned age?
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How about I put it this way. Not everything you do harms or puts others at risk, and if something harms nobody and puts nobody at risk but the person doing it, it shouldn't be illegal. Better?
THAT'S what people are saying. If you're not harming anybody else, it shouldn't be illegal.
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A few pages ago... We've all still been talking about drug and alcohol use though, and the rest of us are all operating under a similar paradigm. You, obviously, are not. Congratulations.
You don't seem to be effectively converting people to your view though, or even communicating it all that well. That makes it tough to have a real conversation. I'm interested in hearing what you have to say, just not really in this context (although, by now the original context is lost anyway so... *shrug*)
You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann
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A) I never said it should be illegal on a grand scale. I don't think there is anything wrong with a segment of the population deciding that they don't want it in their community and making it illegal within those confines.
B) I don't think we have the ability to fully understand nor predict all the consequences of our actions.
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Okay. Nobody's disagreed with any of that.
Relax, I've seen worse.
If you were in a viva voce for some post-grad stuff, and this argument was part of your thesis about the effects drinking has on society, the board would hammer you for not designing a control for the "buying of the product" variable.
You interact with people on some level when you buy anything, not just alcohol.
Is your argument that somehow interacting with the guy that rings up your Guinness causes some sort of harm somewhere, simply by virtue of the fact that it's beer, and not a can of peas?
"Baseball statistics are a lot like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything."-Toby Harrah
"It's hard to look pissed off eating Apple Jacks."-Sh*t my Dad Says
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Then what the hell have we been talking about for the last 5 pages?
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That's what I've been wondering.
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I never said that it caused harm. I said that all of our actions have an effect on someone other than ourselves. Not a negative effect, or a positive effect, but an effect.
You interact with people on some level when you buy anything, not just alcohol.
Is your argument that somehow interacting with the guy that rings up your Guiness causes some sort of harm somewhere, simply by virtue of the fact that it's beer, and not a can of peas?
Relax, I've seen worse.
K.
Got it.
Fair enough.
"Baseball statistics are a lot like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything."-Toby Harrah
"It's hard to look pissed off eating Apple Jacks."-Sh*t my Dad Says
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I do... we're a community. People want to belong to a community.A) I never said it should be illegal on a grand scale. I don't think there is anything wrong with a segment of the population deciding that they don't want it in their community and making it illegal within those confines.
This sort of ideology actually has a label: "Anarcho liberal". It hasn't really been advocated since the late 1700 - early 1800, but I'm finally starting to see that you're attempting to give it a more modern face. The problem with it is simply that it destroys community. Without community (or with very weak community), the side effect is a "tower of babel" type of fracturing. Ultimately, the ideology that you're advocating simply brings about misunderstanding and conflict.
It's not that we don't have the ability. We don't have the attention span or the desire to fully understand the effects of much of our actions. That's not really a bad thing though, since it frees people from having to worry about relatively inconsequential things so that they can concentrate on work or whatever.B) I don't think we have the ability to fully understand nor predict all the consequences of our actions.
You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann
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No, I'm saying that if prostitution can be legal in Nevada, and gambling in Atlantic City, then heroin can be legal in Chicago and marijuana in Amsterdam, and gun bans can be constitutional in Washington DC...
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Right, I get that... that simply can't be a "universal" thing though, where every community is inherently different in some manner. There's a good reason why that sort of thing is concentrated in Las Vegas, Amsterdam, or Bahrain. The community as a whole creates those places specifically as an outlet, someplace to go for a safe form of "danger". It's the same reason why thrill rides are so popular at amusement parks and horror films are popular, but there's no one (or very few, at least) advocating to allow people to jump off buildings or set up mass murders.
You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann
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Agreed.
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lower the drinking age!
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