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    No, none of that is what makes the Yankees bad.

    Lemme give you another example. Say your son is on a Little League team, one of eight in the league. Not the best on the team, not the worst; a good team player who has some fun with the game.

    Now, at the end of the season, your son lines up with the players from his team, and the players of six of the other teams. And the coach of the eighth team - the one that wears, oh, say, pinstripes - comes out and selects the best two or three players from the other seven teams. And he brings them over to his side, and promises them free rides to the game, brand new uniforms, free ice cream after every game, and tickets to movies and pro games and concerts and such. The kid goes for it every time, of course, and the team gets written up in the local paper all the time, and even the girls follow it and cheer for them.

    Every so often, they'll pick up a kid who might not play so well for them...so they give the kid a payoff and let him go to play somewhere else, and they grab some other, better kid - maybe the one that hit that home run against them in that important game, or pitched some scoreless innings against them.

    Now this happens every single season, and over those seasons, your son's team does pretty well - they have fun playing together, and maybe they're even a winning squad. But over time, that team in the pinstripes is always winning. They're walking over other squads, and finishing in first as often as not...and the parents of the kids on that team are constantly pestering the coach to grab some other good player - maybe the star player on your kid's team. They expect the championships. They're disappointed with anything else.

    The other teams resent this team, of course, and that humiliating process of having to stand there and let the other team pick over your players, luring away the ones that they want. And they get called names in those papers that write about the pinstriped team: "poor losers", "pinstripe-bashers", "sour grapes".

    You think that maybe this isn't necessarily fair. Maybe the game should be about team play and developing players and having some heart...not just buying players and installing them like commodities. You think about complaining to the head of the league, because there should be rules about that, but they haven't done anything in the past and aren't going to start now. (One team in the league, with a particular color of hosiery, finally gets this idea that they'll just start doing the same thing with a bunch of new kids. They end up with players from far, far away - kids your son has never seen before - and they start winning championships and then getting some of the league kids, too. It's the only way they can compete, they say...but that's another story.)

    Finally, you end up bumping into one of the parents whose kid is on that pinstriped team. He talks about his son's team, and the championship they're playing for, and you can't help it - you get a little feisty. You talk to him about how unfair it is, how it isn't a sign of any decent baseball skill...how it doesn't prove anything - not about the players, not about the team, not about the parents, not about anyone's character or heart or anything that makes the game exciting. It just proves that, more often than not, a bigger and richer team can beat up on a smaller and poorer team - and that's all.

    And the parent you're talking to looks just a bit puzzled about all this, and thinks about it for maybe two seconds...and then says, "Yeah...but they're always winnin', aren't they?"

    That is what makes the Yankees bad.

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    Re: Yankee Bashing

    I hate the Cubs and take great pleasure in bashing them every chance I get. As a matter of fact I hate Chicago and the whole damn state of Illinios.

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    Re: Yankee Bashing

    Are the teams that spend the most (having the highest payrolls) "always" winning now? Not anymore.

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    [QUOTE][And actually the time of the Blake Street Bombers was right around the time the Yankees were dominating everything that stepped in their way.
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    And this is also the time of a huge disconnect. At this time, the Yankees had brought up the most players from their own minors in a long, long time. Jeter, Rivera, Williams, Pettitte, and Posada to name a few. Yet, they still get the rep of hiring mercanaries which is stupid. That didnt happen till about 2001 or so and will end next year, hopefully.

    The prolblem is ownership. Bad owners=bad teams. Geoffrey Loria has won 2 WS w/ his Marlins. Ripped them apart both times after. The reason I raise his name is because I ran into him 2 years ago. He admitted it was all business. Same w/ Angelos and the Orioles. Do you realize that 1/3 of all baseball teams are now owned by lawyers or groups thereof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frijolito View Post
    I hate the Cubs and take great pleasure in bashing them every chance I get. As a matter of fact I hate Chicago and the whole damn state of Illinios.
    Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    I'm not on either side of the debate, but I do think it's lame to bash the Yankees (or any other larger-market teams) just because it's the popular thing to do.
    Its mostly the mainstream fans that Yankee-bash, I think. I have a ton of respect for the Yankees, how could you not. But the media hype they get and their uneducated, incredibly biased fans is what drives me to the wall, especially since I consider myself an educated, well-informed (for the most part and in most cases) fan.


    A lot of it might be admiration of the success of the franchise in its history, and that turns to anger and jealousy, since a Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates fan will be pissed off at a Yankees fan for not having to sit through a long "rebuilding period" (at least for a very long time) in the team's history.
    I'm sure thats got a fair deal to do with it as well, I'm sure. But I think its more that people don't like to see one team dominate over an era, like the Yankees have had a history of doing in the late 90's through early 2000's, and at various other points in the history of the team.


    I remember debating somebody years ago that complained how the Yankees "bought" all of their players while their own team "grew them" from the farm system. However, after we went down the roster, it turned out that the Yankees developed more of their players.
    Thats when the Yankees, or any team really, are at their best. When the Yankees were at their most recent peak in the 90's a huge amount of the team, and really the most important parts of it, were homegrown. They were homegrown at some of the most important positions on the field, so the most important guys were really familiar with the "Yankee way", with Jeter and Posada, not to mention Rivera, Pettitte, O'Neill (I think), Bernie, and others I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    Don't tempt me. Those were my favorite teams. I can probably still name the inaugural 40 man roster in alphabetical order.
    Touche haha

    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    The Rockies did have a chance there as well. They spent just as much money as other teams in the past decade, but it took them awhile to find out that nobody could pitch in Denver (pre-humidor days). Darryl Kile and Mike Hampton were elite pitchers before they became Rockies, and Kile was good after he got out of Colorado as well.
    Not to mention Pedro Astacio and several others they brought in.

    I see what you're saying but in this day and age but how can anyone deny the large market controls a lot of what baseball is?

    I mean come on...

    Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, Boston.

    Last three world champions of the last four years from large market teams.

    Anaheim/Los Angeles area in 2002 Yankees for three straight years from 98-2000.

    And yet people get mad because we say we don't want large market teams winning anymore?

    Sorry we root for the underdog.

    Sorry when the Rockies made the run more people rooted for them because Boston was Boston and the Rockies were the Rockies. Sorry more people are rooting for the Rays in the AL East because they aren't the Yanks or Red Sox.

    People get tired of familiarity. They say "you suck" but they mean it in the terms of they are tired of you winning all the damn time!

    I have tremendous respect for the teams that win because they are amazing baseball teams (including the Yanks). I just wanna see an underdog win it. That's all.

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    Re: Yankee Bashing

    I don't hate the yankees. I hate dumb Yankee fans. I hate dumb Red Sox fans. I really haven't seen either one on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989 View Post
    People get tired of familiarity. They say "you suck" but they mean it in the terms of they are tired of you winning all the damn time!
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ryan is No. 0. He doesn't make the list, since he's clearly on a higher plane of existence than all other quarterbacks, living or dead. He is ... teh messiah.
    I'm not the only one who knows the truth about Matt Ryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelb1 View Post
    I don't hate the yankees. I hate dumb Yankee fans. I hate dumb Red Sox fans. I really haven't seen either one on this board.
    Neither have I.


    The fans screaming Yankees suck while their team is getting creamed by the Yankees are the fans I hate.

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    [QUOTE=grasshopper;1148709]
    [And actually the time of the Blake Street Bombers was right around the time the Yankees were dominating everything that stepped in their way.
    /QUOTE]

    And this is also the time of a huge disconnect. At this time, the Yankees had brought up the most players from their own minors in a long, long time. Jeter, Rivera, Williams, Pettitte, and Posada to name a few. Yet, they still get the rep of hiring mercanaries which is stupid. That didnt happen till about 2001 or so and will end next year, hopefully.

    The prolblem is ownership. Bad owners=bad teams. Geoffrey Loria has won 2 WS w/ his Marlins. Ripped them apart both times after. The reason I raise his name is because I ran into him 2 years ago.
    I hope he didn't claim he won 2 WS...because he didn't. Besides his treatment of Girardi ranks him among the worst owners in the league IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelb1 View Post
    I don't hate the yankees. I hate dumb Yankee fans.
    Me too. I think thats where a lot of the hatred comes from. I honestly don't think most actually educated, smart fans on either side really give a rat's ass about the "rivalry" and don't really hate the other team, its just the stupid biased fans that they don't like. And because of that they want their team to kick the other team's ass in the hopes that the idiots on the other side will shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ryan is No. 0. He doesn't make the list, since he's clearly on a higher plane of existence than all other quarterbacks, living or dead. He is ... teh messiah.
    I'm not the only one who knows the truth about Matt Ryan.

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    How much winning would be "too much" in this case? I do understand what you're saying... it's nice to get some fresh faces/teams in contention, or a team out of nowhere that wins it all. Eventually the goal for any team is to win, and in a best-case scenario, a dynasty is formed.

    I guess that's why I'm happy that a lot of people on these forums (well, some of you) are fans of their respective teams regardless of how they perform. I think a lot of people just like rooting for whoever is doing good at the present time... your "bandwagon fans". I think it's when a team struggles or goes through a rebuilding period, that's when you find out just how "popular" the team is, because the people who follow the team are true fans, not those who latch on once they start contending and show up in ESPN highlights every week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    How much winning would be "too much" in this case? I do understand what you're saying... it's nice to get some fresh faces/teams in contention, or a team out of nowhere that wins it all. Eventually the goal for any team is to win, and in a best-case scenario, a dynasty is formed.
    Basically, anytime a team gets to familiar with winning in the league...America starts to turn on them. Example: The New England Patriots. Everyone loved em in 2001. Now they hate em.

    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    I guess that's why I'm happy that a lot of people on these forums (well, some of you) are fans of their respective teams regardless of how they perform. I think a lot of people just like rooting for whoever is doing good at the present time... your "bandwagon fans". I think it's when a team struggles or goes through a rebuilding period, that's when you find out just how "popular" the team is, because the people who follow the team are true fans, not those who latch on once they start contending and show up in ESPN highlights every week.
    The worst bandwagon experience I found was in Colorado last October. Half of those people filling that stadium to watch them in the playoffs are probably wearing Rays hats right now lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989 View Post
    The worst bandwagon experience I found was in Colorado last October. Half of those people filling that stadium to watch them in the playoffs are probably wearing Rays hats right now lol
    I know exactly what you're saying. I was there last October for both games, because I really didn't know when the next time the Rockies would be in the World Series would be.

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