11.25 Payroll differs on expense dialog and finance page [Fixed 12.11]

[filihok]

Did you take out the arbitration eligable players' salaries as well?

Yes. I played to free agency and did not sign any player who was eligible for arbitration or who was a free agent.

Team Payroll: $21.8M

Where did this number come from?

My opening day payroll was around $38 million. My pay roll at the end of the season was $23 million. I don't see how I could have paid $21.8 million. The amount should be between $38 and $23 million

It shows your current payroll in the sidebar as well. Team Payroll: 23,011,146

Yes, as I've stated numerous times THAT is the sum of the players salaries.

So far as I can tell there is no way to tell how the money is being spent.

I would like to know, how much I spent each on player salaries, farm, medical, and scouting during the year. And I don't think those numbers are available.

[ohms_law]

I would like to know, how much I spent each on player salaries, farm, medical, and scouting during the year. And I don't think those numbers are available.

OK, that I understand... I don't really see why it's important, but I get it now at least.
You know how much your total expenses were, and you know how much you paid in payroll for the season. Subtract payroll from total expenses and you have the total non-payroll expense amount.
*shrug*

Anyway, it's after the regular season in the screenshot above (actually, it's the last day...) so the finances aren't going to update again until spring training starts. As I was saying earlier, expenses are figured for each game day of the regular season, so there are no new expenses until next season starts anyway.

[filihok]

First, thanks for bearing with me and trying to help out...dealing with people is a vastly underrated skill

I could only figure out external to the game. I figured out in excel. Seems that should be a part of the game. It's Baseball Mogul. There is a finances screen yet nothing shows your biggest expense. Salaries.

Also, the 17 million payroll it shows. No idea what that number means. Its not this years payroll. It's not next years payroll. What is it?

The whole finances part of the game seems off to me. Always has.

[ohms_law]

Well, yea... one thing that I've been after for a couple of years is a simple ledger. Itemized expenses and income. Like you said, it's Baseball Mogul, so I'm certainly not against anything to improve the financial aspects of the game!


The finances are generally "off"/incorrect during the off season. It sucks, but it's literally always been that way. Not that that's an excuse, but it is a fact. Personally, I never really liked the game day expense and revenue system that Mogul implements, but it does have the advantage of simplicity. As I said, I'd love to have a more complete financial system in Mogul, but I wouldn't want to have to be a CPA in order to understand it.

[filihok]

I just want to see Payroll Expense (how much did I spend in pay roll so far this year), Farm, Scouting, and Medical Expenses (ditto).

[filihok]

I've mentioned this before, but I know more about what is going on now so I'll bring it back up.

The finances are not calculated correctly.

Beginning a season on April 1st and simming through the season without making ANY adjustments to expenses or payroll you end up with different figures from the beginning of the season to the end.

Trades were set at -100% so there were no trades
Injuries were set at -100% so players were not called up from the minors increasing their salaries.
Drafted players were released immediately after the draft so their salaries would not affect the final figures.
No players retired or were released.
All expenses were set to $0

You can clearly see that not all player salaries were paid. My player salaries for the season totaled $84,899,199. However, my expenses for the entire year were only $81,952,844. Almost $3 million less than what they should have been.

I think this is a pretty significant problem as the financial aspect is a big part of the game. It has always been quite frustrating to me that there was always an inaccuracy in the financial portion of the game.

[filihok]

Ok. I think this is more anatomically correct in this thread

Here's what I did.

Started a new season
Reduced Farm System, Medical Staff and Scouting to 0 dollars
Reduced Injury Frequency and Trades to -100% so there would be no player movement.
Clicked the checkbox for each player in the minors so they wouldn't change levels and therefore their salaries.
Simmed until the amateur draft. Drafted. Then immediately released all the players I drafted so no salary would be added.
Simmed to the end of the regular season.
Simmed to the end of the world series.

Right off the bat you can see that there is a problem.
The salaries from the team summary, that were verified in an excel spreadsheet, and the expenses sheet do not match.


*more to come in posts 2 and 3

[filihok]

Ok. So after simming to the end of the regular season

I now have cash of $74,675,840. How do we get to this number?

It should be Revenue - Expenses (which should only be payroll) = Profit.
Profit + Beginning Cash = Cash at End of Year.

But it's not. Add the numbers. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work using what the payroll should be in excel. It doesn't work using what the expenses sheet uses for payroll.

IT DOES work using what the expenses sheet uses for 2008 expenses. Which is less that what I should have paid for payroll

$121,801,647 - 57,883,364 + 10,757,557 = 75,675,840

$2,797,807 is the difference between what payroll should have been and what BM thinks it is. I don't know the significance of that number

[filihok]

I thought that maybe something was weird because the season wasn't over yet. This team was in the playoffs so I simmed through the playoffs (and won the World Series).

Same thing. Ending cash still doesn't equal 2008 Revenue - 2008 Payroll Expenses + Beginning Cash.

It does equal 2008 Revenue - 2008 Expenses (which still are less than 2008 payroll) + Beginning Cash though.

Also, for whatever reason, it showed 2007 Revenue and Expenses as being equal to 2008 Rev and Exp.

[filihok]

I'm trying to upload the .xls I used to calculate this but the forum is being cranky incase anyone wants to see the calculations.

You don't need the sheet. The discrepancies are pretty obvious.

It appears to me that either

A) Revenue is not properly displayed or
B) Not all salaries are being properly subtracted

EDIT: Got it...zip first...duh

[ohms_law]

OK... what's the problem?

[filihok]

OK... what's the problem?

EDIT:

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PAYROLL EXPENSE IS BEING MISSTATED

In the above example Payroll was $60.7 million but only 57.9 million was deducted as an expense.

[ohms_law]

Aright, it looks like you're talking about post #15. When, exactly, did you take that screenshot? Was it on a game day, prior to playing that day's game? Was it during the playoffs, or during the regular season?

[filihok]

Post #15 was taken after the final day of the season. You can see that Arizona has a record of 99 - 63 which is 162 games. ALL payroll should have been paid at that point

[filihok]

You can also see in post 16, which was taken after the world series but before Free Agency that they expenses are still $57.8 million. Which is STILL less than the $60 million dollar payroll for the season.