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    Who should be ROTY in each league?

    In the NL:

    A catcher, 118 games, 368 AB, 11 HR, 50 RBI, .236/.334/.408
    A pitcher, 24 games, 23 starts, 13-7, 3.56 ERA, 166.2 IP, 92:38 K:BB, .250 BAA
    A shortstop, 85 games, 326 AB, 0 HR, 30 RBI, 11 SB, .301/.326/.356

    In the AL:

    A pitcher, 21 games, 17 starts, 8-2, 3.61 ERA, 114.2 IP, 88:41 K:BB, .231 BAA
    A first basemen, 94 games, 356 AB, 18 HR, 56 RBI, .250/.307/.466
    A left fielder, 102 games, 384 AB, 21 HR, 69 RBI, .289/.357/.518
    A shortstop, 120 games, 506 AB, 7 HR, 32 RBI, 9 SB, .251/.308/.328

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    NL: P
    AL: P or LF


    would also help to get some defensive #s for the NL SS

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Defensive numbers for both shortstops and the catcher:

    NL C - 823 innings, 28 assists, 729 putouts, 1 DP, 3 errors, .996 FP, 5 passed balls, 22 CS%
    NL SS - 705 innings, 270 assists, 121 putouts, 56 DP, 4 errors, .990 FP
    AL SS - 1071 innings, 408 assists, 202 putouts, 77 DP, 13 errors, .979 FP

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Am I safe in assuming that the reason the AL SS is listed is b/c he won the AL ROTY?

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    NL:Pitcher
    AL: Left Fielder

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Nl: P
    al: Lf

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    NL: Pitcher

    AL: Left Fielder


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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Well, all of you picked the two guys I would pick.

    The game gave the winners to the NL catcher and the AL shortstop.



    I think the problems with the ROTY award boil down to a few things.

    1) It overvalues middle infielders.
    2) It greatly undervalues pitchers.
    3) It overvalues playing time. A player with 90-100 games and very good stats, such as the AL left fielder, will get considerable ROTY support in real life, particularly if the only options with something resembling a full season worth of playing time are players with horrible stats, such as the winning AL shortstop.

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    That's funny, cause I would have said catcher for the NL players. I didn't really look at the AL guys before, but looking at them now I probably would have given it to the left fielder as well. 120 games and 502 AB's does have quite a bit of value though... I think that the "over values playing time" is arguable.
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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    A shortstop, 120 games, 506 AB, 7 HR, 32 RBI, 9 SB, .251/.308/.328


    You think That Thing snould have won ROTY Ohms!?!?!


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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    The AL i think the LF gets it

    The NL, the SS and C are both super defense intensive potions so theres a bit missing from the equation, but assuming the are both average to slightly above average fielders it the pitcher. If your talking GG qaulity defense u think the catcher makes a seroius run.

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Going by how real life voting has gone, I'd say it's a 99% chance that, if this was voted on in real life, the pitcher and the left fielder would've won.

    And I think you'd agree with that ohms, right? Surely, you know that the voters would rarely ever vote a guy with a .230ish batting average as the ROTY, especially when there's a pitcher with an ERA in the mid-3's. Yes, that MIGHT be a stupid decision (say, if the guy's Adam Dunn), but, that's how it works, and the award AI should try to mimic real life, in my opinion.

    Personally, my personal picks would be the pitcher and left fielder, and that's also how I'd see the real life voters going.

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    That's funny, cause I would have said catcher for the NL players. I didn't really look at the AL guys before, but looking at them now I probably would have given it to the left fielder as well. 120 games and 502 AB's does have quite a bit of value though...
    If he's not fricken Ozzie Smith with the glove, though, that's a whole lot of negative value, considering his .620ish OPS.

    I think that the "over values playing time" is arguable.
    Take a look at some of the real life ROTY votes. Willie McCovey won with 52 games and 192 at bats. I don't know who else were rookies that year, and that's obviously quite extreme....

    But even so, Ryan Howard won in 2005 with 88 games played. In Mogul, I'd guess it'd have given it to Willy Taveras.

    FAR too many HORRID offensive players win the ROTY award in Mogul, when there are MUCH better players with less playing time AND/OR good pitchers. I rarely see rookie pitchers win the ROTY. The only time I've seen it happen is when the rookie pitcher is near Cy Young Award caliber, or in the complete absence of any position player candidates. Here's a thread I posted nearly 2 years ago. The SAME problems then, and that contains examples that are beyond preposterous.

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    Re: Who should be ROTY in each league?

    I would agree

    NL P
    AL LF

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