Manny to the Dodgers?

[OldFatGuy]

LOL, I've HAMMERED Manny's attitude on this board for two years, and usually I got hammered right back by Sox fans, reading this thread I can't help but Laugh Out Loud.

[beerchaser]

Yea, they said so on WEEI. The Sox also lose 2 draft picks, as the Dodgers will offer Manny Arbitration, and get 2 picks

It won't cost Boston any draft picks. Whoever signs MR in the offeason will lose two picks to LA assuming they offer arbitration, which they will.

I expect either Pierre and/or Andruw Jones to get moved in a waiver wire deal, with LA eating most or all of their contracts.

[OldFatGuy]

There's not a team on this PLANET that's going to touch Andruw Jones, unless the Dodgers were going pay his salary NEXT season too.

EDIT: Whoops, I misread your statement, I see you were talking about the Dodgers eating the entire contract, not just this seasons salary. Sorry.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

There's not a team on this PLANET that's going to touch Andruw Jones, unless the Dodgers were going pay his salary NEXT season too.

I'm pretty sure Jones contract is a one year deal, not positive on that though.

[OldFatGuy]

LOL, I thought it was two. But I never know where to look to find out contract info. I still think it was a two year, $36 Million deal.

[Arctic Blast]

Jones does have a 2 year deal.

Wow...you know, it's not a bad trade all around. Even though LA already had a surplus of outfielders, let's face it, Pierre isn't an everyday guy, and Jones is AWFUL...and they needed the power bat. It's a nice move for Boston, and Pittsburgh picks up a nice load of serious prospects.

[Slingshot]

Red Sox lose their cancer cell. Might turn out to the best for them.

[filihok]

LOL, I thought it was two. But I never know where to look to find out contract info. I still think it was a two year, $36 Million deal.

The best contracts site I know of. Bookmark this. I look at it constantly.

Andruw Jones of
2 years/$36.2M (2008-09)

signed as a free agent 12/07
$12.2M signing bonus ($5.1M in 2008, $2.1M in 2009, $5M in 2010)

08:$9M, 09:$15M
no-trade clause
perks: suite on road
Jones to donate $0.15M annually to club charity

6 years/$75M (2002-07) (Atlanta)

$3M signing bonus
02:$9.5M, 03:$11.5M, 04:$12M, 05:$12.5M, 06:$13M, 07:$13.5M
signed multi-year extension after 2001 season
1 year/$8.2M (2001), won arbitration ($8.2M-$6.4M) (record award)
1 year/$3.7M (2000)
1 year/$0.33M (1999)
1 year/$0.215M (1998)
1 year/$0.1525M (1997)

agent: Scott Boras
ML service: 11.047

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I know Manny won't be in tonight's lineup for LA, but is Bay in the Red Sox lineup tonight, does anyone know?


EDIT: Never mind, didn't realize the Red Sox don't play tonight .

[filihok]

Wow...you know, it's not a bad trade all around. Even though LA already had a surplus of outfielders, let's face it, Pierre isn't an everyday guy, and Jones is AWFUL...and they needed the power bat. It's a nice move for Boston, and Pittsburgh picks up a nice load of serious prospects.

Fili's useless take:

Dodgers: Definately helps this year. Concerns-Kent and Ramirez fighting over "playing the game the right way". Jeff Kemp thinking Manny's his big brother and emmulating him. LaRoche should be a quite a player down the road. Maybe not that far down the road.

RedSox: Got rid of Manny. Bay is a suitable replacement. They SHOULD have got bullpen help instead they lost Hansen. Plenty of relivers should be available on waivers though.

Pirates: Got a pretty good haul of prospects.

In honor of the olympics
Gold-Pirates
Silver-Sox
Bronze-Dodgers

[OldFatGuy]

The best contracts site I know of. Bookmark this. I look at it constantly.

Thanks man, it is now bookmarked. I always wanted to find out stuff like that, and I could never find it on Baseball Reference dot com. (That, ESPN, and a couple of forums are really my only "internets" experience, lol, oh and MLB.COM)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Fili's useless take:

Dodgers: Definately helps this year. Concerns-Kent and Ramirez fighting over "playing the game the right way". Jeff Kemp thinking Manny's his big brother and emmulating him.

I THINK you mean Matt cos Jeff is a little passed it ,no ?

[filihok]

I THINK you mean Matt cos Jeff is a little passed it ,no ?

Yeah. Matt Kemp...JEFF Kent. Got it now

[ohms_law]

I like it. I've been a huge Bay fan for a long-time and I think he'll do great in Boston. He should do well not having to hit in the Hitter's Hell that is PNC Park, and he should have a great time peppering balls off the Monster. Not to mention Bay is a far better defender than Manny ever was or could be in his wildest dreams.

On another note, good trade for the Pirates. LaRoche and Moss should prove to be at least solid as ML players and Hansen could/should be good as well.

Its really a pretty good trade on all sides.

I agree. This was sure surprising though. The Dodgers came out of left field on this one... (pun completely intentional)

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Just for fun I compared pre- & post- Manny trade results:

Pre Manny

BELOW is the average of 30 sims

30 SEASONS SIMULATED


                EAST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
           Baltimore  75.28  86.72    1    0    0    0    1    1    6    7   15
              Boston  95.10  66.90    8    1    9   20    6    7    2    0    0
            New York  86.24  75.76    1    3    1    6    5    9    8    6    0
           Tampa Bay  83.45  78.62    0    0    3    3    5   10    9    6    1
             Toronto  76.00  86.00    0    0    2    0    2    2    4   10   13

             CENTRAL    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Chicago  78.21  83.79    0    0    1    6    0    4    9    4    6
           Cleveland  82.31  79.72    2    1    2    8    3    8    2    5    6
             Detroit  78.52  83.48    1    0    2    4    1    8    4    5    8
         Kansas City  77.14  84.90    0    0    1    1    1    4    7   10    7
           Minnesota  83.07  78.97    1    1    2   10    2    5    7    5    2

                WEST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
         Los Angeles  88.97  73.07    5    3    4   19    1    5    5    0    0
             Oakland  78.34  83.66    0    1    0    2    0   10    9    8    0
             Seattle  75.38  86.69    0    0    1    2    2    8    6   13    0
               Texas  76.76  85.38    0    0    1    6    0    6    9    8    0

                EAST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Atlanta  82.79  79.24    0    1    2    2    4    6   13    8    0
             Florida  75.72  86.28    0    0    1    1    0    1    7   14    6
            New York  90.72  71.28    3    6    5   15    5   11    1    2    0
        Philadelphia  90.52  71.48    0    3    5   11    3   11    7    0    0
          Washington  66.69  95.31    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    5   23

             CENTRAL    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Chicago  83.48  78.59    2    0    2    5    0    8    4    4    8
          Cincinnati  72.59  89.41    0    0    0    0    0    1    3    4   21
             Houston  79.17  82.86    0    2    0    3    1    4    7    4   11
           Milwaukee  80.00  82.03    1    0    0    4    0    0    8    5   12
          Pittsburgh  81.31  80.76    0    1    0    4    3    7    3   10    5
           St. Louis  89.38  72.69    1    0    6   13    4    9    4    2    1

                WEST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Arizona  90.14  71.90    1    4    4   15    4    9    4    1    0
            Colorado  75.93  86.07    0    0    0    0    0    3   10    9    7
         Los Angeles  89.00  73.03    2    2    4   12    3   10    5    2    0
           San Diego  79.41  82.62    0    0    0    2    2    7    8    7    5
       San Francisco  68.79  93.21    0    0    0    0    0    0    2   10   17

Post Manny (same settings as above but Manny deadline deals included)

20 SEASONS SIMULATED


                EAST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
           Baltimore  75.60  86.45    0    0    2    1    1    1    4    5    9
              Boston  93.20  68.80    7    5    2   15    3    3    1    0    1
            New York  87.25  74.75    3    0    1    4    5    6    6    4    0
           Tampa Bay  84.15  77.90    1    0    1    0    8   10    5    1    4
             Toronto  75.35  86.65    0    0    0    0    0    0    4   10    6

             CENTRAL    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Chicago  77.10  84.90    0    0    0    2    0    5    4    5    4
           Cleveland  82.45  79.55    0    1    3    8    1    5    3    1    3
             Detroit  79.30  82.70    1    0    2    4    0    1    7    2    6
         Kansas City  77.95  84.05    0    0    1    3    0    4    3    6    4
           Minnesota  80.75  81.25    1    1    1    3    2    5    3    6    3

                WEST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
         Los Angeles  87.90  74.15    0    0    6   17    0    1    0    2    0
             Oakland  77.90  84.10    0    0    1    2    0    6    6    6    0
             Seattle  76.65  85.35    0    0    0    0    0    6    8    6    0
               Texas  77.00  85.05    0    0    0    1    0    7    6    6    0

                EAST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Atlanta  82.55  79.50    0    1    1    2    2    3    7    8    0
             Florida  78.35  83.65    0    0    0    1    0    4    5    9    1
            New York  89.40  72.65    1    1    2    6    4    8    5    1    0
        Philadelphia  92.15  69.85    1    5    2   11    3    5    3    1    0
          Washington  67.75  94.25    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1   19

             CENTRAL    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Chicago  86.60  75.40    2    3    0    9    1    5    2    3    1
          Cincinnati  72.45  89.55    0    0    0    0    0    0    2    4   14
             Houston  78.35  83.70    0    0    1    1    0    2    8    1    8
           Milwaukee  78.65  83.35    0    0    0    0    0    3    5    7    5
          Pittsburgh  75.40  86.60    0    0    0    2    0    1    2    5   10
           St. Louis  88.85  73.20    1    0    4    8    2    9    1    0    2

                WEST    Won   Lost   WC   LC   1R  1st Wild  2nd  3rd  4th   5+
             Arizona  90.15  71.85    0    1    6   11    2    6    1    2    0
            Colorado  79.40  82.60    0    0    0    0    1    2   10    5    3
         Los Angeles  91.40  70.60    2    2    4    9    5   10    1    0    0
           San Diego  77.40  84.60    0    0    0    0    0    2    7    6    5
       San Francisco  66.80  95.20    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    7   12

as can be seen doesnt really affect Sox much THIS YEAR but Dodgers EDGE the D Backs & Pirates suffer the most losing their MAIN power bat.