Manny A Marlin?

[etothep]

pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade and league approval.

Haha, I'm gonna lose it if Manny vetoes the trade cause he doesn't want to play for the Marlins either

[RedsoxRockies]

I can't get to it, or anything on BP, right now, lol.

Lol

[filihok]

I thought that...I can totally see that happening

[RedsoxRockies]

I thought that...I can totally see that happening

Idk, he does not seem to want to stay... I think he may do it. And Hanley is on the Marlins, and they are related.

[ohms_law]

Link's working now... for me anyway.

[Reade]

And Hanley is on the Marlins, and they are related.

Really?

[RedsoxRockies]

Yea, they are. Cousins or someting. Aramis is also related to, but I am sure you already knew, seeing as you are a Cubs fan

[dickay]

Opinions on his antics aside.....its very possible the greatest hitter in Red Sox history is being traded tonight. Its pretty shocking. Sure, one could say blasphemy and scream Ted Williams....but Manny's easily in the discussion with Williams and I don't think anyone in here actually saw Williams play. This is a pretty shocking trade if it happens.

[ohms_law]

FYI: from http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

On July 27, Ramirez made his first public comments in a while, saying he would waive his no-trade rights if the Red Sox found a new destination for him, and also adding, "I'm tired of them, they're tired of me."

The thing is... Manny is a child. Yea, he plays great baseball (probably because he is a child) which in the end is all that matters, but... There comes a point in time to say "that's enough", you know?

[RedsoxRockies]

I agree, Manny is a near irreplaceble part or Red Sox history. He is one of the all time greats, and I wish he was happy here and the Sox were happy with him. I feel a trade may happen, but it will be shocking

[dickay]

FYI: from http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb


The thing is... Manny is a child. Yea, he plays great baseball (probably because he is a child) which in the end is all that matters, but... There comes a point in time to say "that's enough", you know?

I agree no doubt. I also think the Sox play of late has been effected by this whole saga. A finale to it would be nice and welcomed.

[ohms_law]

Yea, I think so too. They've all been playing it cool but based on watching the last couple of games they seem... distracted. It's odd to see things like that Texas leaguer fall in to shallow center against the Sox... Youk blooping a short hopper... Beckett basically getting rocked... just a general malaise look to them tonight. Manny actually looked happy though, which I found to be somewhat interesting. Ortiz comes back and the team goes into a funk. Go figure.

By the way: Gammons: Manny deal not yet completed
Posted 7 minutes ago, according to Google News.

Edit: ahh... posted @ 10:34 pm et

[ohms_law]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...trade_deadline

Gammons: Manny deal complicated

Wednesday, July 30, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Peter Gammons
As midnight approached Wednesday night on the East Coast, officials from the Marlins and Red Sox said a deal involving Manny Ramirez was not done. Indications from Pittsburgh were that the Pirates were not satisfied with the players they were receiving in exchange for sending Jason Bay to Boston. And in California, Ramirez's agent, Scott Boras, said he had been told nothing, which means nothing has been completed in terms of Ramirez's waving his no-trade rights or in completing paperwork to send to the commissioner's office.

So, the complicated three-way deal might go down close to Thursday's 4 p.m. ET deadline. Ramirez wants out, and is willing to go to Florida. The Marlins want him -- and what he means to their pennant chances and pursuit of a new ballpark. The Red Sox clearly are willing to finance Ramirez's exit.

But the value of the young players was a sticking point late into the night, and one Red Sox official said, "This is anything but done."

The Nomar Garciaparra deal in 2004 went down to minutes before the deadline, and there was so much confusion the Twins never received the second prospect they thought they were owed. This might be Nomar Redux.

[HoustonGM]

Yea, they are. Cousins or someting. Aramis is also related to, but I am sure you already knew, seeing as you are a Cubs fan

Aramis and Manny are cousins. Hanley, no.

Opinions on his antics aside.....its very possible the greatest hitter in Red Sox history is being traded tonight. Its pretty shocking. Sure, one could say blasphemy and scream Ted Williams....but Manny's easily in the discussion with Williams and I don't think anyone in here actually saw Williams play. This is a pretty shocking trade if it happens

Well, I'm sorry, but, you don't have to have seen Williams to know he was a far greater hitter than Manny Ramirez. Best right-handed hitter in Red Sox history, yeah.

[dickay]

Well, I'm sorry, but, you don't have to have seen Williams to know he was a far greater hitter than Manny Ramirez. Best right-handed hitter in Red Sox history, yeah.

Break it down for us stathead....and of course cherry pick the stats that suit your argument best

But seriously, I'd like to see the definitive evidence that Williams had a better career...and the fact Manny's career isn't over needs to be taken into effect.

One could say Ruth was the best red sox hitter, but I'm not including him as he had limited at bats as a sawk.

From what I see....Williams in the end is probably the best hitter but all I'm saying is an argument can be made...especially taken into account the level of talent in todays game. Williams OBA was simply amazing. Higher batting average and yes did lose a few years due to military service. Manny will end with more HR's, RBI's, and hits. Williams like never struck out. You can play with your OPS+ stat as to this day I don't fully know how that effectively compares players from different generations.