Pudge to Yankees

[metsguy234]

Yes and yes

Did you forget to take your meds today?

[filihok]

You're right. I should have looked at those insurmountable 4 and 5.5 game leads before making such a ludicris statement

[dps]

When Pudge first came up, he was already a great defensive force who had obvious offensive potential. During the bulk of his career, he remained a fine defensive catcher and became far above average for the position as a hitter. The last few years, he'd been well below average as a hitter. though he is having a decent year with the bat this year. I'm not really sure how his defense stacks up now.

I'd still call it a great trade for the Yankees, because he's so much better than what they had there.

[koolzach1]

BEST 5 catchers of this decade (in order):
1.Mike Piazza (he is my favorite player of all time, but it's pretty hard to argue against him)
2. Jason Varitek
3. Javy Lopez
4. Joe Mauer
5. Ivan Rodriguez

I'd have this...

1. Piazza
2. Rodriguez
3. Posada

Everyone else

[etothep]

You're right. I should have looked at those insurmountable 4 and 5.5 game leads before making such a ludicris statement

So you willing to make a small wager then? Loser can't post on the forum for a week?

[filihok]

You've got to give me odds...picking 2 of 4 playoff teams is hard enough especially when i'm picking two that are in 3rd place.

[etothep]

You've got to give me odds...picking 2 of 4 playoff teams is hard enough especially when i'm picking two that are in 3rd place.

Thought you were confident

We can pick the other 3 playoff teams (assuming we both pick laa) & see who fares better

[filihok]

and...NO!!! I'm not going to bet...because then I'd end up wanting the yankees to make it. Yuck

[metsguy234]

I'd have this...

1. Piazza
2. Rodriguez
3. Posada

Everyone else

I hate when Yankee fans discount players who aren't Yankees. They're just biased towards there team and unable to see clearly, like this fellow I have just quoted.

Posada=average catcher

[HoustonGM]

Well, now I understand the true ability of Kyle Farnsworth, he's a pretty damn good pitcher.

What?

See, this is why the Yankees are run wrong. They go after the big stars, not tjhe good specs. I thoght they were getting smarter, but I guess not. If they had traded a spec, this would have been an awful trade

This was a trade to shore up a hole for the NOW. They can't make trades where they trade away big guys for prospects, because they're always in contention, and teams in contention rarely, if ever, make such trades. The Yankees farm system IS very good.

Pudge is half the fielder he was with a below average bat. And well his glove is still good, I feel someone along the lines of Johnny Estrada would be a better choice.

Pudge is easily a better defensive catcher than Estrada.

This year, Pudge is hitting .295/.338/.417 with a 101 OPS+. Estrada had a -1 OPS+ in 53 at bats, hitting .170/.200/.170. His OPS+'s the last 3 years - 74, 92, 78. Pudge's - 94, 97, 85.

Pudge is a slightly above average bat for a catcher, with above average defensive skills. Johnny Estrada is not good.

I guess it comes out as a salary dump for the Tigers, and a rental for the Yankees.

A rental for both teams really.

Well Pudge sucks now because he's like 40 years old.

His age is irrelevent. He does not suck. And he's 36.

Farnsworth is one of the top-level relievers in the game tho.

LOLOL. Rivera, closer of the Yankees, is mediocre. Farnsworth, now not a Yankee, is one of the top relievers in the game. WOW.

He's not gonna reach 3000, he's too old.

He's 36 and still swings an average stick. He's been ridiculously durable for a catcher. Barring a massive unforeseen collapse, he'll reach 3,000.

Pudge is maybe the 5th best catcher this decade. Note the "maybe".

2000-2004 he was the top catcher in the game. Yeah, he's not the same as he was then, but he's still solid.

Nope, I used to consider him to be a very good catcher, but his being traded to the Yankees changes that.

Yeah. See, this is why people don't take anything you say seriously when it comes to the Yankees. The team a player plays on does not change how good of a player he is. Please, try to be a little less biased.

1.Mike Piazza (he is my favorite player of all time, but it's pretty hard to argue against him)

His defense.

2. Jason Varitek

No.

3. Javy Lopez

Not better than Pudge.

4. Joe Mauer

Mauer has been better than Pudge since 2005, but than you're just ignoring the first half of the decade where Pudge was excellent.

[etothep]

I hate when Yankee fans discount players who aren't Yankees. They're just biased towards there team and unable to see clearly, like this fellow I have just quoted.

Posada=average catcher

[HoustonGM]

I hate when Yankee fans discount players who aren't Yankees. They're just biased towards there team and unable to see clearly, like this fellow I have just quoted.

LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!?! Man, you're a funny kid.

Posada=average catcher

Posada has been a well above average hitter every year of his career since he became a regular except 1999. His career OPS+ is 124. Jason Varitek's career high is 122. Perhaps he's been average defensively, but overall, Posada has been a very above average catcher because he is a very good hitter.

[RedsoxRockies]

I'd have this...

1. Piazza
2. Rodriguez
3. Posada

Everyone else

I would have :

1.Piazza
2.Pudge
3.Javy Lopez
4. Brian Mcann
5. Mauer
6. Posada
7. Tek

[RedsoxRockies]

This decade has not been great on catchers. Now the '70s and '90s, however, were loaded

[HoustonGM]

I'd still take a platoon of Brian Schneider and Ramon Castro over Ivan Rodriguez any day of the week.

Would you have said that yesterday?

Somehow, I doubt that.