Is Steve Phillips 100x better than Joe Morgan?

[metsguy234]

If Charlie Finley was alive and owned the Rockies, I think Podsednik would be the next Herb Washington He'd actually be good as a pinch runner...

And, is Charlie Finley (the owner) related to Chuck Finley (the pitcher)?

[Frijolito]

Because, clearly, Scott Podsednik is what made the White Sox the World Series champions, and Carlos Lee is the reason the Brewers were below average. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Obviously, you'd rather the team with the World Series, but what's that have to do with two individual players? I'd rather a year and a half of good hitting than one year of a .350 OBP with speed and no power whatsoever. What the rest of the team does is irrelevent to the evaluation of the two players.

It is very relevent what the team did. Do you think White Sox fans sit around thinking they got raped in that deal. No I don't think so. I think they're damn happy with their title and the role Podsednik played in it.

Fine, they made the trade because they didn't want Carlos Lee in the clubhouse. This doesn't mean it was a good trade in baseball terms, though.

yes it does. Like I said before some people have a hard beleiving anything but statstics. Chicago obviously felt they couldn't win a championship with Lee on the roster. They obvioudly felt that the trade would benefit their team. Looks like they were right as they won a championship and well, Lee left for huge money in a 1 1/2 anyway.

[OregonDuck1989]

If Charlie Finley were alive and owning the Rockies I may be forced to like the Padres.

The Rockies would be pitching with yellow balls and designated pinch runners (such as Scotty Pods) would be running the bases and we would be walking everyone at the plate (Not just Corpas, either!) with only 3 balls and say goodbye to the humidor.

[HoustonGM]

It is very relevent what the team did. Do you think White Sox fans sit around thinking thye got raped in that deal. No I don't think so. I think they're damn happy with their title and the role Podsednik played in it.

Winning a World Series tends to allow poor moves to go unnoticed and uncared for, and that's fine.

Now, I'm not saying the move was poor in all, because if Carlos Lee was such a huge ass that everybody on the team hated him (which I don't believe it was that bad), than it was fine.

yes it does. Like I said before some people have a hard beleiving anything but statstics. Chicago obviously felt they couldn't win a championship with Lee on the roster. They obvioudly felt that the trade would benefit their team. Looks like they were right as they won a championship and well, Lee left for huge money in a 1 1/2 anyway.

This trade had next to nothing to do with the team winning the World Series, unless you believe that Scott Podsednik single-handedly made the top 4 pitchers in the White Sox rotation healthy and very good all season, and made a couple relievers all have outrageous career years.

Just because the White Sox won the World Series doesn't mean that every move they made prior to the championship year was a good one.

[metsguy234]

Wait- someone on Earth would trade Scott Podsednik for Carlos Lee?

You've gotta be freaking kidding me!

[Frijolito]

Winning a World Series tends to allow poor moves to go unnoticed and uncared for, and that's fine.

Now, I'm not saying the move was poor in all, because if Carlos Lee was such a huge ass that everybody on the team hated him (which I don't believe it was that bad), than it was fine.


This trade had next to nothing to do with the team winning the World Series, unless you believe that Scott Podsednik single-handedly made the top 4 pitchers in the White Sox rotation healthy and very good all season, and made a couple relievers all have outrageous career years.

Just because the White Sox won the World Series doesn't mean that every move they made prior to the championship year was a good one.

I'm sure moving Lee's fat ass out of town helped the defense. I remember that year well. I have a subscription to the Chicago tribune as well as the Milwaukee paper. ( I like to keep an eye on the enemy) I remeber that year how everyone from commentators to the players were praising Podsednik. How he was a great influence, sparked the team etc, etc. You can spout statistics all you want I don't care. Podsednik played a big role on a world series champion bottom line. If I was a Chicago fan I'll take that trade anyday

[HoustonGM]

I'm sure moving Lee's fat ass out of town helped the defense.

Definitely, but not as much as it hurt the offense.

I remeber that year how everyone from commentators to the players were praising Podsednik. How he was a great influence, sparked the team etc, etc.

So it obviously must be true than that influence and "sparking" is better than...offense.

You can spout statistics all you want I don't care.

K. And you won't ever convince me that being a "sparkplug" is better for winning baseball games than...being good at hitting.

Podsednik played a big role on a world series champion bottom line.

Than we'll just have to agree to disagree. He played solid defense in left field, and sucked offensively, and fine, was a great influence in the clubhouse. If that's your definition of a "big role", than fine. But I'd say that nearly the entire reason the White Sox won the World Series was....their pitching.

If I was a Chicago fan I'll take that trade anyday

I'll take the World Series win, which has little to do with the trade. But whatever.

[HoustonGM]

Wait- someone on Earth would trade Scott Podsednik for Carlos Lee?

You've gotta be freaking kidding me!

December 13, 2004 - The White Sox traded Carlos Lee to the Brewers for Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and a minor leaguer that never did anything.

[Frijolito]

Definitely, but not as much as it hurt the offense.


So it obviously must be true than that influence and "sparking" is better than...offense.


K. And you won't ever convince me that being a "sparkplug" is better for winning baseball games than...being good at hitting.


Than we'll just have to agree to disagree. He played solid defense in left field, and sucked offensively, and fine, was a great influence in the clubhouse. If that's your definition of a "big role", than fine. But I'd say that nearly the entire reason the White Sox won the World Series was....their pitching.


I'll take the World Series win, which has little to do with the trade. But whatever.

59 SB .290AVG .351OBP. That's sucking for a leadoff hitter

[HoustonGM]

59 SB .290AVG .351OBP. That's sucking for a leadoff hitter

That's nothing special for a leadoff hitter.

Also, don't forget to mention that he had ZERO power whatsoever, which yes, does matter, and he got caught stealing 23 times for a not-so-great success rate of 71%.

[Frijolito]

Not to mention .286 /.375/ .551 in the post season. Boy this guy can't hit at all

[Frijolito]

That's nothing special for a leadoff hitter.

Also, don't forget to mention that he had ZERO power whatsoever, which yes, does matter, and he got caught stealing 23 times for a not-so-great success rate of 71%.

Thats not sucking, that's not blackhole that's not no offense or anyother hyperbole you've thrown around.

[HoustonGM]

Thats not sucking, that's not blackhole that's not no offense or anyother hyperbole you've thrown around.

It's poor offense.

[HoustonGM]

Not to mention .286 /.375/ .551 in the post season. Boy this guy can't hit at all

Yeah, he had a great postseason, I'll give him that, but if you think that means he's actually a good hitter, you're fooling yourself.

[Frijolito]

Also, don't forget to mention that he had ZERO power whatsoever

See post season SLG%. Looks like had some power when it mattered. I forgot leadoff hitters are supposed to hit 30 hr's a year