But for sure he won't get a 20 a million deal from anyone (even the YankeesOriginally Posted by robinhoodnik
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But for sure he won't get a 20 a million deal from anyone (even the Yankees
In the court of public opinion? He's been convicted, tarred, featherd, shunned, and fired over the horizon from a circus cannon in that court OFG.
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He sure didn't seem to have any leg problems when he blew through the stop sign last night. I thought he was going to be out easily cause the fielder got the ball just before Manny reached third.
Absolutely not. There are a LOT of young power guys coming up now, who'd get less. Why on earth would anyone other than Boston give him that kind of money to be a hitter? More to the point, who that could afford it would pay him that money? The Dodgers? Probably not after the Jones fiasco, the Giants? Maybe. Mets or Yankees? No, probably not at this point in Manny's career, Cubs? No.But for sure he won't get a 20 a million deal from anyone (even the Yankees
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I disagree. I think he'll have no problem getting the 20 mil or close to it for a 2 or 3 year deal. The Angels come first to mind. The Tigers, Orioles, possibly the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees, maybe the Dodgers. I could even see Houston, Arizona, and CHW.
Manny's having a rebound year....there's no reason to think he won't give at least two more Manny type 30+HR, 100+ RBI, .285+BA years. There aren't many 'young' guys who *will be available* you can say that with full confidence about. Sox fans (i'm one) apparently want something to gripe about, so this guy who gives a solid approximate 500 AB's per year lays down a couple games, most likely out of protest but possibly injured, and suddenly the Sox fan forgets about the 145 other games he plays in every year.
If this guy trys as little as these Sox fans try to portray, its amazing the stats he puts on the table with such little effort. He's in no way a villain and is generally liked by teammates, or those were always the reports up until a week ago.
Again, Manny is doing what every other professional would do....he's trying to get some security in his contract. Boston fans haven't seen this profile a star do this in awhile and take issue with it. At this point of his career, I think it makes perfect business sense for him to try and get to the FA market, or get a new deal with Boston. He's on record even as recently as this weekend as saying he'd like an extension with Boston (although the media only plays the part where he said he'll accept a trade). Boston is making a smart business decision to try and keep him year to year....but its all business on both sides. The fans need to get over themselves and just let it play out.
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Fans are ridiculously fickle. It's extremely likely that many fans that booed Bonds and what not just did it for the fun of it, not because they actually despise the guy and hope he dies. I'd bet that a majority of people that have booed Bonds would be happy if their favorite team signed him and he helped that team make the playoffs. Winning is what matters most to most fans.
I'm not bagging on Manny's hitting at all. He supposedly works harder than anyone at that aspect of his game. It's the rest of the package that's the problem, running until he's out like a little leaguer, not even bothering to run down the line other times, sub standard outfielder everywhere but Fenway. That sort of stuff grates on people over time.
I doubt the Sox will let him go anywhere in the division, they'd probably rather pay him than let him go to Toronto, Baltimore or the Yankees.
I disagree, Manny's having a contract year.
Nomar was "liked" by his teammates too. Right up until he was traded.
I think the Sox should pick up the option, as a hitter, he's probably worth the 20 in this market, unless a younger guy becomes available to them. If Manny doesn't like it, tough sh*t, let him sue his former agent over it.
I doubt that most people (except former friends and acquaintances) would like to see him die. I do think that most people don't like him at all. I think that the best any team that would sign him could hope for is fan indifference.
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- Actually, I thought Nomar was unpopular in the clubhouse, seen as a loner who was somewhat arrogant. Maybe I'm wrong in that.....but I thought alot of the reason they moved him was he was becoming so unpopular in the clubhouse the word 'cancer' was being thrown about. He was 'very popular' with the fans however.Nomar was "liked" by his teammates too. Right up until he was traded.
I think the Sox should pick up the option, as a hitter, he's probably worth the 20 in this market, unless a younger guy becomes available to them. If Manny doesn't like it, tough sh*t, let him sue his former agent over it.
- In a perfect world, yes Manny should live up to the contract. But its not a perfect world, every major talent does what Manny does in this situation..its right out of the textbook. Even if the Sox were willing to deal with the Manny headaches that would come with not giving him security the fans apparently are being twisted anti-Manny and it would be a PR nightmare. They need to lock him up long term, or do the option and trade him to someone who will.
The Sox should be thrilled with what they got from him production wise during his contract....and realize what everyone should have known at the time the contract was signed. No star in his situation would be happy on a year to year contract basis for the next two years at 36 years of age.
I doubt the Sox were that dumb when they made the contract, and probably put that option in there so they would be in the exact situation they are in today.....given the option to let him walk, or keep control and trade him which is what they most likely will do. Really, think about it.
Know what? That's exactly what I would do. Sign him, and trade him off. No need to be that way about it.
The Nomar stuff didn't start coming out until the Sox were done with him. I remember Millar stating just before he was gone that he'd love to be getting throws where he could catch them from the best shortstop in baseball, that would have been A-Rod.
He also said afterwards, that Nomar's throws were tough because he was often throwing coming up, almost like a submarine pitcher, and he couldn't pick out the ball until it was on him.
So what? The Sox do have a signed contract. They should pick up the option, and nothing more. Manny don't like it, Manny can stay home.
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Well, I'm sorry guys, but I'm still gonna bring it up because I am beginning to smell something funny.
I've seen several posts ridiculing/questioning collusion against Bonds. Fine, I can buy that there's no collusion, really I can.
And I'm not suggesting Bonds and Manny are exactly alike, they aren't. But the fact is Bonds has a lot of negative baggage, and the fact is Manny has a lot of negative baggage. I mean, come on, maybe he does put up 30HR's and 100RBI's, but then in late July in a tight pennant race in the first game of three game series against one of the teams you're fighting (and your arch rival to boot) he decides not to play in a game the Sox lost 1-0, on their way to losing the series 2 games to 1??? This is not trivial.
So they both come with negative baggage. Where I start to smell something that stinks (collusion??) is where you have two players with the negatives, and one is going to get basically market rate ($20M) and one gets ZERO!
If you can't see something fishy in that then its because you don't want to, because SOMETHING IS GOING ON. I would think that both would recieve lukewarm interest at best, with interest in Manny probably a little higher. But when its expected one is going to get market rates and one gets nothing, something is beginning to smell, and this time it ain't the old fat guy in the room.
Because Manny doesn't have the whole steroid controversy and a federal investigation hanging over his head like the blade of a guilliotine.
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Yeah, and Manny doesn't want to play in important games.
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Manny's been there time and time again. Over his career he's been one of the most durable and consistent players of alltime. If you want to think he tanked it last weekend here fine, If you want to say he tanked it late in 06 after they were out of it fine. You are entitled to your opinions. But to say he's done this in important games over his entire career and compare him as anything close to the kind of baggage Bonds brings is really kind of rediculous. They are two entirely different situations. Is there collusion against Bonds...who knows!?! In a way I think there is, but then again I can understand teams not wanting to sign him. However there are absolutely zero similarities between he and manny.....and trying to draw them is making something out of nothing.
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