The rivalry

[twinsGM]

Sportscasters are the worst for Local new channels. They are so fair-weather, and give up on the season a dozen times before its over, and doesn't know too much about the team, stuff that they would know if they actually watched the whole game, not just highlights.

[dickay]

I might as well add my two cents on this:

First a bit about me, I grew up in jersey a huge Yankees fan. In the late 80’s there wasn’t much to hang your hat on, and trips to the Bronx were a lot different than they are today (and not in a good way). I left the area to get my Ph. D. and low and behold the Yankees start winning the World Series again (authors note I came back and they stopped, coincidence? I think not). And then it happened, I moved to Boston for my post doc. It is extremely funny to go from New York to Boston. Let me just say this now I love the “city” of Boston, it is an awesome place. It is so small and easy to approach and I have tons of great friends from the area. That being said Bostonians have the worst inferiority complex about NYC I have ever seen (do you see what I did there?). Some funny experiences, first I arrived in January 2002 right after the pats won the suberbowl. I was actually routing for them and really happy they won. I start talking to one of my colleagues and was saying how I was happy that New England won, I am life long giants fan hate the jets etc… Right away she cuts me off saying how she hates the giants too, because they are from New York. HA? At that point I don’t think that the giants and pats had ever played a meaningful game against each other.

That pretty much sets the tone for my experiences in boston. In New York growing up nobody really cared about boston it just was not that important. In boston they would dedicate as much time on the sports to the Yankees as they would the sox.

You Bostonians who have been there for a while know what fenway was like the year of the Boone homerun. I was there and saw the riot police needed in fenway to keep them from burning down the city. Funniest news cast I ever saw, boston fans start turning on each other throwing beer bottles at each other.

One more funny story, thank god I left the year the Yankees choked, I remember the sox played the Yankees in a big series in July of that year. The one were Jeter dove into the crowd to get the fowl bowl, I believe the Yankees swept them in that series and moved to 3 or 4 games up in the standing. Watching the news that night and the sports guy (forgot his name he was an idiot, I’ll never forget joe shortsleeve though). Anyway after the Yankees series he throws his hands up in the air and says that’s it the seasons over (in july) the Yankees are going to do it again blah blah blah whine, whine. It was freaking july and sox were still on top of the wild card.

Nobody is saying that new Yorkers are angles, far from it. But the inferiority complex I witnessed in boston was laughable. I would assume that, that may have changed but I would not bet on it.

Ask me later to tell the story of the girl who told me it was far more prestigious to open a play in boston than on Broadway……

One could simply say after reading these type posts that Red Sox fans are simply much more avid, dedicated, and knowledgeable fans.

I think the inferiority complex is from those Yankee fans who want to 'claim' there's no rivalry as a way of making them losing feel better. "They're still the best, they won 16....so what, sox won two." I say two because its embarrasing how few Yankee fans actually know the Sox won 5 WS before the two most recent ones, and go on and spout naive comments such as they one I just said.

[Joba_Rules]

One could simply say after reading these type posts that Red Sox fans are simply much more avid, dedicated, and knowledgeable fans.

I think the inferiority complex is from those Yankee fans who want to 'claim' there's no rivalry as a way of making them losing feel better. "They're still the best, they won 16....so what, sox won two." I say two because its embarrasing how few Yankee fans actually know the Sox won 5 WS before the two most recent ones, and go on and spout naive comments such as they one I just said.

knowledgeable as to the best way to hit each other over the head with beer bottles.

my comments were about the mood and the attitude of the city not specific to just red sox fans.

[dickay]

knowledgeable as to the best way to hit each other over the head with beer bottles.

my comments were about the mood and the attitude of the city not specific to just red sox fans.

There's jerks everywhere, and I laugh when I read these threads is what it comes down to. Here's one of many experiences;

I was in Yankee Stadium with my two 7 year old nephews. Two out of the three of us had Sox jerseys on, but were bugging nobody. My third nephew, Christopher actually thought he liked the Yankees (**** impressionable kids). Well we had people cussing at us (and other sox fans), I had mustard packets squirted onto the back of my jersey (no balls apparently they had to hide it), things were thrown at us (from a distance of course). It got so bad, after seeing other sox fans leave my nephews asked in the 6th inning if we could leave too! Boy was that a mistake. Realizing we were leaving drew nasty chants using language I won't post in here and my 7 year old nephew fell down in front of me and said he was pushed down the stairs!!

Christopher no longer wants to be a Yankee fan.

[twinsGM]

That's terrible. Were the security guards sleeping?

[dickay]

That's terrible. Were the security guards sleeping?

I've NEVER seen a Yankee or Sox security guard throw the home fans out in either stadium. I've seen it get rowdy like this on many occassions. I enjoy rowdy banter and for that reason sit in the bleachers at yankee stadium. No reason to come to this though. Don't get me wrong, I've seen sox fans do horrid sh!t as well...but there's a thought that if you wear your colors to the other stadium you somehow deserve this treatment. I think that is why the security doesn't get involved. The only time i've seen security involved is when the opposing fan incites something and then the opposing fan is tossed.

[Joba_Rules]

There's jerks everywhere, and I laugh when I read these threads is what it comes down to. Here's one of many experiences;

I was in Yankee Stadium with my two 7 year old nephews. Two out of the three of us had Sox jerseys on, but were bugging nobody. My third nephew, Christopher actually thought he liked the Yankees (**** impressionable kids). Well we had people cussing at us (and other sox fans), I had mustard packets squirted onto the back of my jersey (no balls apparently they had to hide it), things were thrown at us (from a distance of course). It got so bad, after seeing other sox fans leave my nephews asked in the 6th inning if we could leave too! Boy was that a mistake. Realizing we were leaving drew nasty chants using language I won't post in here and my 7 year old nephew fell down in front of me and said he was pushed down the stairs!!

Christopher no longer wants to be a Yankee fan.

So we can agree that there are idiot baseball fans everywhere, still does not answer the inherent inferiority complex that the city of Boston has with New York, it has nothing to do with baseball.

[HoustonGM]

I was at the Yankees-Red Sox game late last August (August 28), and saw nothing bad from either side. Although, of course, I only witnessed whatever went on around the area I was in. There were a couple Red Sox fans cheering for them, but the Yankee fans didn't do anything to them.

Of course, that's not representative of the "rivalry" as a whole. Really, I'm sick of both "hardcore" Red Sox and Yankee fans. They each have these elitist standpoints and just try to belittle the opposing team when the fact of the matter is that BOTH teams are VERY good and VERY well run. Sometimes, the Red Sox are better. Sometimes, the Yankees are better. Neither team is a bad team. I'm sorry for injecting some logic into the nonsense that is the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.

[dickay]

I was at the Yankees-Red Sox game late last August (August 28), and saw nothing bad from either side. Although, of course, I only witnessed whatever went on around the area I was in. There were a couple Red Sox fans cheering for them, but the Yankee fans didn't do anything to them.

Of course, that's not representative of the "rivalry" as a whole. Really, I'm sick of both "hardcore" Red Sox and Yankee fans. They each have these elitist standpoints and just try to belittle the opposing team when the fact of the matter is that BOTH teams are VERY good and VERY well run. Sometimes, the Red Sox are better. Sometimes, the Yankees are better. Neither team is a bad team. I'm sorry for injecting some logic into the nonsense that is the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.

Finally some words of wisdom. I agree with you. As for Joba....Houston hits it on the head. This thread was made by Yankee fans trying to argue for some reason that there is no rivalry, never was for Yankee fans only for Sox fans. There's obviously something more than a typical game between these two, and if you've ever been to one you know exactly what I mean. The inferiority is highlighted in this thread by its initial concept. Trying to deny there's a rivalry simply is a way of saying Boston means nothing to us Yankee fans. The definition of inferiority complex is;

1 : an acute sense of personal inferiority often resulting either in timidity or through overcompensation in exaggerated aggressiveness

The opening post in this thread highlights the Yankee fans feeling of 'inferiority' over the Red Sox which is exactly the attitude 'Bostonians' hate about New York.

Finally...I should mention I've sat in the bleachers many of times with my Pedro Red Sox jersey on and had delightful games and banter with good Yankee fans. I even am nice enough to join them in the singing of New York, New York as I exit (games the sox win only lol). It can be done in good fun.

[Frijolito]

That was a real mature adult act, but I guess thats par for the course for a cheese head

Flat landers wish they were cheese heads. Think about it they come to Wisconsin for everything. The cubs stadium is a relic. It's falling apart and has the worst amenties in the league. It's more like a freak show " come see the team that hasn't won in a 100 years and they play in the shittiest stadium in the league." Thats why so many Cubs fan come to Miller park they want to watch a real team in a real stadium. Does Illinois not have any Festivals? You go to Summerfest and everyother car is from Illionis. On top of that they can't even handle their beer! They're always Drunk and puking all over themselves! This past year 80% of the people arrested at Summerfest were from Illionis! Also does Illinois not have state parks? Every time I go camping half the people are from Illinois! And they're always drunk and puking all over themselves. The EPA makes Milwaukee use reformulated gas because of all the pollution that comes from Illionis. Seriously, experts have said that up to 80% of the pollution in Southeastern WI comes from Illinois! Not to mention that they dump their garbage in out landfills! Don't even get me started on the tolls and their roads still are worse than ours! If I were govenor the first thing I would do is build a wall along the Illionis border to keep the flat landers out

[Joba_Rules]

Finally some words of wisdom. I agree with you. As for Joba....Houston hits it on the head. This thread was made by Yankee fans trying to argue for some reason that there is no rivalry, never was for Yankee fans only for Sox fans. There's obviously something more than a typical game between these two, and if you've ever been to one you know exactly what I mean. The inferiority is highlighted in this thread by its initial concept. Trying to deny there's a rivalry simply is a way of saying Boston means nothing to us Yankee fans. The definition of inferiority complex is;

1 : an acute sense of personal inferiority often resulting either in timidity or through overcompensation in exaggerated aggressiveness

The opening post in this thread highlights the Yankee fans feeling of 'inferiority' over the Red Sox which is exactly the attitude 'Bostonians' hate about New York.

Finally...I should mention I've sat in the bleachers many of times with my Pedro Red Sox jersey on and had delightful games and banter with good Yankee fans. I even am nice enough to join them in the singing of New York, New York as I exit (games the sox win only lol). It can be done in good fun.

Huh? i am saying that it is not all about baseball, all that you keep talking about is baseball.

[dickay]

Huh? i am saying that it is not all about baseball, all that you keep talking about is baseball.

Because the subject of the thread is about the 'baseball' rivalry. The statements you made about the Bostonians feelings towards New Yorkers really do not do enough to justify your position. You say that Boston 'residents' have an inferiority complex towards NY and use three examples;

1. A football fan cutting you off saying she hates the Giants because they are from NY. (that clearly could have something to do with this baseball 'rivalry' as many NY fans I know hate the patriots because they are from boston)

2. A local newscaster being upset after Aaron 'bleeping' Boones HR. Thats the shocker of the day, thanks.

3. A girl who thought it was more prestigouis to open a play in Boston than in NY. Well...there could be a slew of reasons for her feelings there and I'm not in the theatrical business so I couldn't begin to figure it out. Because she thinks Boston is a better venue, she's got a complex.....but that means you disagree with her. Does that mean you have the same??? Does NY have to be a better venue to open? I know Broadway and all....but without knowing her rationale how can one make any decision on this? And how does one theatrical actor have anything to do with the city's feelings towards NY?

I will say all that aside, many Bostonians will tell you they don't like NY. Largely because of the Yankees and their fans who think they are inferior. This thread kind of proves that. Does it mean they hate all New Yorkers, no. Are there Yankee fans who say the same about Boston, yes.

Personally.......i think there are great things about NY. but its way too busy a city for me. I get overwhelmed and don't like the fact that its nearly impossible to drive around the city unless you have all day, don't mind headaches, and are rich enough to pay for parking. I mostly don't like the smog as if I walk the city for any real length of time it seems to effect me more than others and I always get a headache. No doubt however, there is tons to do. I enjoy the museums, the arts mostly. I know theres alot of nightlife and clubs but you can get that in alot of other places and i'm old enough to where i'm not as much into it any longer. I do like Boston better. Its easier to get around, the subway system is much much better. The history in Boston is richer as much of the early revolutionary war hot spots can be toured. Its still a busy city, but much more laid back than NY. I would put Boston up there with Chicago as two of my favorite cities in the country, and I've spent a short amount of time in many large cities across America. My views have nothing to do with Yankee/Red Sox rivalry.

[Pavelb1]

I was at the Yankees-Red Sox game late last August (August 28), and saw nothing bad from either side. Although, of course, I only witnessed whatever went on around the area I was in. There were a couple Red Sox fans cheering for them, but the Yankee fans didn't do anything to them.

Of course, that's not representative of the "rivalry" as a whole. Really, I'm sick of both "hardcore" Red Sox and Yankee fans. They each have these elitist standpoints and just try to belittle the opposing team when the fact of the matter is that BOTH teams are VERY good and VERY well run. Sometimes, the Red Sox are better. Sometimes, the Yankees are better. Neither team is a bad team. I'm sorry for injecting some logic into the nonsense that is the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.

I honestly don't think the Yankees are all that well run...especially now that Hank is frothing at the mouth. And just so you know it's an honest opinion and not Red Sox bias...I also completly agree with the guy who talked about the..shall we say Red Sox inferiority complex rather than a Boston one.

Even now Red Sox fans are ALWAYS waiting for the other shoe to drop. Losing streak of three games and they're ready to ship to the minors/move down in the batting order/ break out the Francoma labels...whatever it takes.

There are STILL idiots who say stuff like the players won it IN SPITE of Theo/Tito. Earlier in the season people were calling Ortiz Big Popup. Give me a break. Ortiz could hit .200 until the end of his career, and they should still build a 50' statue of him in centerfield.

[JayC]

"They're still the best, they won 16....so what, sox won two." I say two because its embarrasing how few Yankee fans actually know the Sox won 5 WS before the two most recent ones.

Hmm... as embarrassing as saying that the Yankees have only won 16?

[koolzach1]

I was at the Yankees-Red Sox game late last August (August 28), and saw nothing bad from either side. Although, of course, I only witnessed whatever went on around the area I was in. There were a couple Red Sox fans cheering for them, but the Yankee fans didn't do anything to them.

Of course, that's not representative of the "rivalry" as a whole. Really, I'm sick of both "hardcore" Red Sox and Yankee fans. They each have these elitist standpoints and just try to belittle the opposing team when the fact of the matter is that BOTH teams are VERY good and VERY well run. Sometimes, the Red Sox are better. Sometimes, the Yankees are better. Neither team is a bad team. I'm sorry for injecting some logic into the nonsense that is the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.

Well, technically the Yankees have pretty much ALWAYS been MUCH better, while the Red Sox have had 2 very good years lately, while missing the playoffs 1 year, and losing in the 1st round in their 2/4 WS Champion run.