Hamilton talking about God

[metsguy234]

Awesome!

No, it's not awesome. It's bigoted to broadcast your personal beliefs to a ton of people who probably have different views then you, especially in a place that is supposed to be about sports, where people with differing opinions could easily be very offended by his opinions.

[metsguy234]

lol.


ERA+ is ERA compared to the league average. A 100 ERA+ is average. So, yeah, he holds up in ERA. He's had 7, 8 including this year, seasons with an ERA less than 2. Billy Wagner, a "Hall of Fame closer" according to you, as had 3.

He's not a superb strikeout pitcher, but does have a K/9 slightly less than 9, and he walks very few, and gives up few hits, career WHIP of 1.03.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but at the age of 38, he's got a 1.25 ERA and a 0.67 WHIP, with a 53:4 K:BB ratio.

Saying that Mariano Rivera is anything less than an elite closer is absolutely foolish and just shows how incredibly biased you are against the Yankees that any opinions you hold about them or their players aren't even worth taking seriously.

Best Closers of All Time
1. Dennis Eckersley
2. Trevor Hoffman
3. Lee Smith
4. Hoyt Wilhelm
5. Goose Gossage
6. Rollie Fingers
7. John Franco
8. Robb Nen (would've had so many more saves if he didnt get hurt)
9.Bruce Sutter
10. Billy Wagner
11. Jeff Reardon
12. Rick Aguilera (accidentally put Jesse Orosco here, sorry)
13. Roberto Hernandez
14. Troy Percival
15. Papelbon (so far)
16. Tom Henke
17. Jeff Reardon
17. Maybe Rivera...
18.Randy Myers
19. Rod Beck
20.Dan Quisenberry

[HoustonGM]

No, it's not awesome. It's bigoted to broadcast your personal beliefs to a ton of people who probably have different views then you, especially in a place that is supposed to be about sports, where people with differing opinions could easily be very offended by his opinions.

Learn the definition of "bigoted."

[metsguy234]

Learn the definition of "bigoted."

bigoted-

–adjective
utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

[Matt Average]

he is not forcing his belief on anyone.

i am a follower of the church of Tom Henke, i cant believe your bigoted statement didnt put him in your top closers list

[HoustonGM]

Best Closers of All Time
1. Dennis Eckersley
2. Trevor Hoffman
3. Lee Smith
4. Hoyt Wilhelm
5. Goose Gossage
6. Rollie Fingers
7. John Franco
8. Robb Nen (would've had so many more saves if he didnt get hurt)
9.Bruce Sutter
10. Billy Wagner
11. Jeff Reardon
12. I dunno, Jesse Orosco???
13. Roberto Hernandez
14. Troy Percival
15. Maybe Rivera...

All this does is confirm how biased you are against the Yankees, as I said.

Jesse Orosco? The guy was a fulltime closer for one year and he was a better closer than Mariano Rivera? lol

I don't know what standards you're using to decide who are good closers, but clearly, you're not even using the statistics you mentioned, like saves, strikeouts, ERA, and such. Mariano Rivera has the best ERA+ of any pitcher since 1901 with more than 900 innings pitched, by a LONGshot. ERA+ is not built to make Mariano Rivera look good. All it does is compare ERA to the league average, adjusted for home park. It's better than straight ERA, as if you go by straight ERA, the list is dominated by deadball era pitchers. Second place is Pedro Martinez at 157. Rivera is at 197. Lower the innings to 800, Rivera still comes out on top. 700, too. You have to go all the way down to a inning minimum of 200 before you get a pitcher with a higher career ERA+ than Rivera (Jonathan Papelbon).

[HoustonGM]

bigoted-

–adjective
utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

And by believing in God and expressing that opinion, you're being utterly intolerant of any belief other than your own?

Wrong

[metsguy234]

. You have to go all the way down to a inning minimum of 200 before you get a pitcher with a higher career ERA+ than Rivera (Jonathan Papelbon).

I added Papelbon in at 15th on the Best Closers List, and looking at Tom Henke's stats (311 SV, 2.67 ERA) I should really add him up there too.

[HoustonGM]

I added Papelbon in at 15th on the Best Closers List, and looking at Tom Henke's stats (311 SV, 2.67 ERA) I should really add him up there too.

Mariano Rivera - 466 SV, 2.30 ERA, much higher offensive era.

[metsguy234]

HGM, you did catch me on my Orosco mistake though. I meant Rick Aguilera (both played for the 86 Mets, I get confused sometimes)

[metsguy234]

Mariano Rivera - 466 SV, 2.30 ERA, much higher offensive era.

You have to look deeper then saves, the current saves rule is flawed.

I invented a stat called Saves+, which measures how you save games in relation to the rest of the league...

just kidding

[HoustonGM]

You have to look deeper then saves, the current saves rule is flawed.

I just cited the stats you did.

[Matt Average]

i invented a stat called BS+

metsguy you are currently the career leader, even though i have only been here for about 4 days

[metsguy234]

Mariano Rivera's rookie year had bad stats, which means that he isn't fully consistent throughout his entire career.

I think he might be on teh roids

[metsguy234]

i invented a stat called BS+

metsguy you are currently the career leader, even though i have only been here for about 4 days

So that would be, what, Blown Saves in relation to the rest of the league?