What I consider home grown is a team scouting, then drafting, an amateur player for their team. Trading for an A ball player, or buying a player from Japan doesn't count.Originally Posted by dickay
What I consider home grown is a team scouting, then drafting, an amateur player for their team. Trading for an A ball player, or buying a player from Japan doesn't count.
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wtf?!?!
My explination can't be any more clear. Sorry
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I understand your interpretation of "homegrown", I just don't agree with it.
Its one thing if a team trades for a guy when they're at AAA or AA, but I think if a player gets drafted by team A, then traded to team B a or two year later and spends 3-4 seasons in team B's farm system as opposed to one season in team A's farm system, hes a product of team B's farm system.
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Opps, I read it wrong. I thought you said you don't consider drafting a player is home grown, I was like "then what is?"
I follow you but my interpretation of home grown has to do with looking at a player who could be a MLB player with development which if you are already drafted, the team who drafted you believes that you will eventually (I assume) if team B trades for him, they believe he can do it where team A might have given up. That would be a case of better minor league scouting as opposed to amatuer scouting.
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Why does Chien-Ming Wang not count? Sure, he wasn't drafted, but neither are Latin American prospects that are in their mid-teens. Are they not "homegrown"? Wang was signed when he was 20 years old, which is an age that many players are drafted at.
its a good question that can be debated. It would depend on whether you think the Taiwan National Team is a pro team or not. Latin players may or may not play on pro teams. To be honest I've never looked.
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Does it really matter, anyway?
a rhetorical question?
Depends if you care or not.
I think that status does matter to people in MLB. Good example: El Duque had to go to Costa Rica or whatever to be a FA as opposed to be from Cuba, which teams could draft him (thus less money)
Does it matter to ordinary schmoes like you and me? Not really, but it's an interesting subject to me.
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What I mean is...does it matter if a player is "homegrown" or not? Obviously whether or not the player is going to be drafted or signed as a free agent matters to teams, but that's different than a "homegrown" label.
it would matter if you are talking about scouting and salaries. A FA is obviously going to cost more than a guy coming up. As far as a deal for an A ball player, you have to give something to get something, right? If you draft a guy outright and he pans out, it just costs you the time and $$$ you spent on him.
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In the end though, the outcome is the same. Chien-Ming Wang was signed as a free agent and now is the ace of the Yankees staff. Had he been drafted, what would the difference have been? Does it really matter if he is considered "homegrown" or not, because he wasn't drafted? No. He's the ace of the staff either way.
Grady Sizemore wasn't "homegrown" by the Indians, they got him in a trade. But, does it really matter? Is he somehow "less special" than a "homegrown" player like Jacoby Ellsbury?
It's really a meaningless distinction, and just something for hardcore fans of teams to argue over. "We have more homegrown guys than you!!!!"
It's not "less special" just less cost
Well, if you feel that way, there's nothing I can say. You trivialize my distinction of what is home grown or not. So there's no point in me posting any more about it. I feel it's important, you don't. That's all I can say
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