C.C Sweeptakes over goes to Brewers

[filihok]

At the time I've agreed with most of Colletti's moves. Or could at least find the logic in them. They didn't all work out, but never did I want to have him lynched. Cant' say the same about Torre though.

[HoustonGM]

At the time I've agreed with most of Colletti's moves. Or could at least find the logic in them. They didn't all work out, but never did I want to have him lynched. Cant' say the same about Torre though.

You saw the logic in Juan Pierre getting a huge long-term deal?

[OldFatGuy]

Or what about the Andruw Jones deal??

[dannymac910]

Andruw Jones MVP!!!

[HoustonGM]

Or what about the Andruw Jones deal??

I saw the logic in that one...it was expensive, but very short, and I didn't think Jones was as cooked as he now seems.

[filihok]

I think we definately paid too much for Pierre...He's a good player. A top of the order with Pierre and Furcal should have been productive. With Furcal expected to leave and Hu to take over we still would have had a lead off man. I can see some logic in it yes.

[HoustonGM]

A leadoff man should not have a .330 OBP.

[koolzach1]

I think Juan Pierre is a very good leadoff man.

You can expect a .290-.300 BA, 50+ SB, and a tough out EVERYTIME (he NEVER strikes out).

[filihok]

His career OBA was around .350 when he was signed.

It was .360 the year Pierre and the Marlins won the W.S.

There's logic in there.

[HoustonGM]

His career OBA was around .350 when he was signed.

It was .360 the year Pierre and the Marlins won the W.S.

There's logic in there.

His OBP hadn't been above .330 in 2 years, and hasn't returned. This is because he doesn't walk. When he was faster, he could leg out more infield hits, and thus batted .320 a couple times, which makes the OBP look nice. Now as his speed as lessened, so has his batting average, and he's no longer an acceptable leadoff man. With his center field defense, he's an above-replacement level starter, but not one that should be at the top of the order. Playing him as a corner outfielder, AND putting him at the top of the order, is really inexcusable. He's downright atrocious as a left fielder (not defensively, where he's probably fine, but a player with below average OBP and no power what so ever should never see consistent time in a corner spot).

I think Juan Pierre is a very good leadoff man.

You can expect a .290-.300 BA, 50+ SB, and a tough out EVERYTIME (he NEVER strikes out).

He never strikes out, but he makes a lot of outs. My definition of a tough out is somebody that is hard to get out.

[beerchaser]

Are you sure???

I'm sure about that one, though I will not put it past Colletti to make some other boneheaded move to try and save his job. Lots of Dodger fans are worried about Logan White going to Seattle or some other GM job, when in fact LA ought to promote White and send Colletti packing.

[filihok]

I'm sure about that one, though I will not put it past Colletti to make some other boneheaded move to try and save his job. Lots of Dodger fans are worried about Logan White going to Seattle or some other GM job, when in fact LA ought to promote White and send Colletti packing.

Agreed

He never strikes out, but he makes a lot of outs. My definition of a tough out is somebody that is hard to get out.

A leadoff hitter (or any other hitter) that can extend an at bat and get a pitcher to throw more pitches is a tough out. This can have a positive effect later in the game.

Playing him as a corner outfielder, AND putting him at the top of the order, is really inexcusable. He's downright atrocious as a left fielder (not defensively, where he's probably fine, but a player with below average OBP and no power what so ever should never see consistent time in a corner spot).

If what they thought Matt Kemp would turn into or what they thought Andruw Jones would go back to was in center it would even out.

[HoustonGM]

A leadoff hitter (or any other hitter) that can extend an at bat and get a pitcher to throw more pitches is a tough out. This can have a positive effect later in the game.

This is not Juan Pierre. For his career, he sees 3.44 pitches per plate appearance. That is not a particularly high total. This year, he ranks 88th in the majors with 3.79 P/PA. His career average would be ranked 160th.

If what they thought Matt Kemp would turn into or what they thought Andruw Jones would go back to was in center it would even out.

No, it wouldn't. That bad of a bat in left field can't be evened out. You're getting a huge substantial dropoff in production out of that position as compared to the rest of the league.

[filihok]

This is not Juan Pierre. For his career, he sees 3.44 pitches per plate appearance. That is not a particularly high total. This year, he ranks 88th in the majors with 3.79 P/PA. His career average would be ranked 160th.

Part of the plan with Pierre was to try and get him to take more pitches. (you can question the logic of trying to make over an established player...).

No, it wouldn't. That bad of a bat in left field can't be evened out. You're getting a huge substantial dropoff in production out of that position as compared to the rest of the league.

If Pierre was in center and Kemp were in Left we wouldn't be having THIS discussion. So there's no need to have it with Pierre in left and Kemp in center. It's the same thing.

[HoustonGM]

If Pierre was in center and Kemp were in Left we wouldn't be having THIS discussion. So there's no need to have it with Pierre in left and Kemp in center. It's the same thing.

No, it's not, unless you don't understand the concept of positional value and the difference between the defensive value of each position.