HORRIBLE All Star Rosters

[koolzach1]

Where's Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera? It's no secret that you hate the Yankees, and those two players should easily be in any conversation about future Hall of Famers.

Let's not forget A-Rod.

[HoustonGM]

Let's not forget A-Rod.

LOL. I can't believe I missed that.

Any list of future Hall of Famers that doesn't include A-Rod should automatically be discounted.

[koolzach1]

Here is my list of active or recently retired players who should be or will eventually be in the hall of fame.

Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
Sammy Sosa
Rickey Henderson
Robin Ventura
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Jim Thome
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Mike Piazza
Ichiro
Vladimir Guerrero
Jason Varitek
Greg Maddux
Tim Hudson
Tom Glavine
Ivan Rodriguez

Now I here's my list of Young Players who will probably make the HOF
David Wright
Prince Fielder
James Loney
Carlos Gomez
Matt Kemp
Hanley Ramirez
Jose Reyes
Dan Uggla
Joey Votto
Chase Utley
Albert Pujols
Ryan Howard
Dustin Pedroia
Jacoby Ellsbury
Homer Bailey
Justin Upton
B.J. Upton
Delmon Young
Carl Crawford
Johan Santana
Francisco Rodriguez
Brian Roberts
Vernon Wells
Roy Halladay
Grady Sizemore
Fausto Carmona
Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Billy Butler (heard he was pretty good)

That's all I can think of for now...

Those are the only ones that I can agree with. A COUPLE of the others may eventually get in, but they need a few more years of work. As far as the young players go... Ya cannot predict their careers a decade or more from now.

[Arctic Blast]

Jeter=way overrated, sissy player, who has some sort of pantheon of evil Yankee fans who defend him
Rivera= mediocre closer

Wow, that's...that's just retarded, dude.

In your world, who registers as a GOOD closer???

[rogue9]

Look beyond wins and losses.

You're right. His numbers have significantly improved since last I looked at them.

[HoustonGM]

Wow, that's...that's just retarded, dude.

In your world, who registers as a GOOD closer???

Billy Wagner = Hall of Famer

[HoustonGM]

Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
Sammy Sosa
Rickey Henderson
Robin Ventura
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Jim Thome
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Mike Piazza
Ichiro
Vladimir Guerrero
Jason Varitek
Greg Maddux
Tim Hudson
Tom Glavine
Ivan Rodriguez


Those are the guys I'd put in from that list, although Ventura has better numbers than I thought and I'd consider him. Andruw Jones, no way. Varitek, no way.

Ortiz, Hudson, Vlad, Ichiro, and Wagner, possible, but depends on the rest of their career.

[koolzach1]

Billy Wagner = Hall of Famer

Psh... According to that incredibly bias, Yankee hating, Mets/Red Sawx fan. Wagner doesn't even have 400 saves yet, and only has a couple of very good years left.

[Arctic Blast]

Billy Wagner = Hall of Famer

Yeah...I mean, Wagner has been a really, really good closer for his career, no argument of that, but there is no way he's above Rivera for his career. That's just nuts.

As for metsguy's HoF list, I pretty much agree with koolzach's picks off of it, but I would add Chipper Jones and Ichiro (MLB is looking to always increase their market share and visibility in Japan, and he's the first legit star to come from Japan...I think it's all but a slam dunk). Schilling and Ventura are both right on the bubble, and I could see it going either way.

[KowboyKoop]

To metsguy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA


and...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcj7...eature=related

[koolzach1]

Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
Sammy Sosa
Rickey Henderson
Robin Ventura
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Jim Thome
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Mike Piazza
Ichiro
Vladimir Guerrero
Jason Varitek
Greg Maddux
Tim Hudson
Tom Glavine
Ivan Rodriguez


Those are the guys I'd put in from that list, although Ventura has better numbers than I thought and I'd consider him. Andruw Jones, no way. Varitek, no way.

Ortiz, Hudson, Vlad, Ichiro, and Wagner, possible, but depends on the rest of their career.

I think that Thome needs a couple more solid seasons, and then I'd say he is Hall worthy. Ortiz was a .280, .230, .270 hitter before joining the Red Sox, but they were great seasons. I think he needs at least 4-5 more very good seasons before he is Hall worthy, and at this point, I am not sure if he has that in him. Vlad, on the other hand, needs another very good 4 seasons at least, also. Ichiro needs another good 3-4 seasons before I'd put him in there... but just think if he had started his MLB career in his early 20's, how great of a resume', he'd have. I think that Wagner needs another very good 35+ save, low-mid 2's ERA before I'd consider him worthy of the Hall.

A lot of these players would certainly make a 'Hall of Very Good', but just not Hall of Fame. Varitek, would make a Hall of Mediocrity. In all honesty, Varitek was a top 3 catcher in a stretch of about 3 years or so, but the rest of his career has been very average. Andruw Jones, IMO was well on his way to making the HOF, but the last couple of years have been SOOOO brutal, I have to wonder if he will ever recover.

[koolzach1]

To metsguy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA


and...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcj7...eature=related

Lol, love it. Billy Madison was such a great movie.

[metsguy234]

If I were the managers, these would be your All Stars:

NL
Catcher: Geovany Soto (CHC)
First Base: Lance Berkman (HOU)
Second Base Chase Utley (PHI)
Shortstop:Hanley Ramirez (FLA)
Third Base: David Wright (NYM)
Outfield: Kosuke Fukudome (CHC)
Oufield: Ken Griffey Jr. (CIN)
Outfield: Carlos Beltran (NYM)
Pitcher: Tim Lincecum (SFG)
Pitcher: Johan Santana (NYM)
Pitcher: Jake Peavy (SDP)
Pitcher: Brandon Webb (ARI)
Pitcher: Dan Haren (ARI)
Pitcher: Edinson Volquez (CIN)
Pitcher: Chad Cordero (WAS)
Pitcher: Billy Wagner (NYM)
Pitcher: Takashi Saito (LAD)
Pitcher: Jose Valverde (HOU)
Pitcher: Chris Young (SDP)
Pitcher: Kyle Lohse (STL)
Bench: Chipper Jones (ATL)
Bench: Matt Holliday (COL)
Bench: Alfonso Soriano(CHC)
Bench: Prince Fielder (MIL)
Bench: Albert Pujols (STL)
Bench: Brian McCann (ATL)
Bench: Jason Bay (PIT)
Bench: Jose Reyes (NYM)
Bench: Dan Uggla (FLA)
Bench: Jimmy Rollins (PHI)
Bench: Adam Dunn (CIN)

AL
DH: David Ortiz(BOS)
C:Joe Mauer (MIN)
1B:Kevin Youkilis (BOS)
2B: Dustin Pedroia (BOS)
SS: Michael Young (TEX)
3B: Alex Rodriguez (NYY)
OF: Josh Hamilton (TEX)
OF: Vlad Guerrero (LAA)
OF: Ichiro (SEA)
Pitcher:C.C. Sabathia (CLE)
Pitcher: Roy Halladay (TOR)
Pitcher: Mike Mussina (NYY)
Pitcher: Cliff Lee (CLE)
Pitcher: Ervin Santana (LAA)
Pitcher: John Lackey (LAA)
Pitcher: Justin Duscherer (OAK)
Pitcher: Scott Kazmir (TB)
Pitcher: Mariano Rivera (NYY)
Pitcher: Jon Papelbon (BOS)
Pitcher: Francisco Rodriguez (LAA)
Pitcher: Troy Percival (TB)
Bench: Brian Roberts(BAL)
Bench: Jose Guillen (KCR)
Bench: Ivan Rodriguez (DET)
Bench: Victor Martinez (CLE)
Bench: Jermaine Dye (CHW)
Bench: Derek Jeter (NYY)
Bench: Justin Morneau (MIN)
Bench: Jason Varitek (BOS)
Bench: Carlos Guillen (DET)
Bench: Evan Longoria (TB)
Bench: Manny Ramirez (BOS)

[koolzach1]

I do like the Mike Mussina pick... You surprised me, with that one.

[metsguy234]

Wow, that's...that's just retarded, dude.

In your world, who registers as a GOOD closer???

Good closer: Trevor Hoffman, Dennis Eckersley, Lee Smith,Billy Wagner, Francisco Rodriguez, Hoyt Wilhelm

Bad closer: Mariano Rivera, Braden Looper