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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleWie View Post
    He has no leverage. Once the packers offer him the tender he has to sign it or he can't play with anyone. It's the same thing in baseball. Fielder cried about getting a small contract but their is nothing he can do about it. Thats the way the system works. He knows if he produces he's going to get paid. The Packers are loaded at the RB position anyway. Brandon Jackson is the future at that position. I'll bet you dollars to donuts Grant does not get any kind of big contract. Security is a weak argument. If T.O. does his job he'll have a roster spot. He is a millionaire many times over. If Dallas cuts him tomorrow he'd still get his signing bonus and somebody would sign him and if they didn't so what? He still a multi- millionaire. I find it hard to believe anyone feels bad for an athlete like T.O. who signs a huge contracts and then wants a new one the next year.
    Uhhh...TO already HAS his signing bonus...all of it...that's why it's called a signing bonus, the player gets it, all of it, when they sign their deal. NFL rules let the team spread out the cap hit across the contract's length, but the player gets all of it immediately upon signing the contract. And, the thing is, nobody thinks ANYTHING of teams constantly going to players, frequently productive ones, and telling them to take a pay cut, or they're gone...guess what, that's the same thing as a player asking for his deal redone. Now, I agree it gets stupid with some of these guys wanting a new contract on a bi-annual basis, especially the ones who are already getting paid. But I am completely on the side of a guy like Anquan Boldin who, 2 years in to his deal, was one of the most productive receivers in the league, AND one of the lowest paid starters in football, when he wants a new deal.

    I was not at all impressed with the glimpses seen of Brandon Jackson last year. I think he can be a nice niche back, but I don't see him as a guy who is ever going to be a feature running back. Has Grant proven he IS over the long haul? No, BUT he has a lot more evidence of success and consistency on his side than Jackson does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Blast View Post
    Uhhh...TO already HAS his signing bonus...all of it...that's why it's called a signing bonus, the player gets it, all of it, when they sign their deal. NFL rules let the team spread out the cap hit across the contract's length, but the player gets all of it immediately upon signing the contract. And, the thing is, nobody thinks ANYTHING of teams constantly going to players, frequently productive ones, and telling them to take a pay cut, or they're gone...guess what, that's the same thing as a player asking for his deal redone. Now, I agree it gets stupid with some of these guys wanting a new contract on a bi-annual basis, especially the ones who are already getting paid. But I am completely on the side of a guy like Anquan Boldin who, 2 years in to his deal, was one of the most productive receivers in the league, AND one of the lowest paid starters in football, when he wants a new deal.

    I was not at all impressed with the glimpses seen of Brandon Jackson last year. I think he can be a nice niche back, but I don't see him as a guy who is ever going to be a feature running back. Has Grant proven he IS over the long haul? No, BUT he has a lot more evidence of success and consistency on his side than Jackson does.
    Well said and agree 100%.

    And Michelle, its not about feeling sorry for T.O., its about understanding his situation and that its a business. What, do you actually feel sorry for the teams??

    I"m an eagle fan first off. T.O. signed a 7 year deal to go to philly at a bargain no less because he had a dumb agent who didn't submit paperwork to make him a FA if you recall. Everyone knew at the time of the deal that he'd never play that full 7 years, it was done however to help the team cap wise. Philly, one of the stingiest teams with the cap had plenty of room but they are always looking ahead and structured the deal heavy in their favor.

    T.O. was having an MVP record breaking year with philly but had a career threatening type of injury if you recall, the first major one of his career and then came back amazingly and put on one of the Super Bowls best performances ever. After that type of year, and seeing the significant injury potential first hand the guy simply said.....it's my turn now to get paid, screw the team. Why does he owe them any favors? Why do they have the luxury of tearing up his contract but he doesn't have the same? He wasn't getting any younger.

    Anyhow, very understandable to me. And Grant, at such a brutal position I can understand him trying to cash in on his recent performance. These guys are multimillionaires and alot of them are troublemakers. I know its hard to be understanding when its so public, but the owners and teams are also raking in millions upon millions and somehow they come off better asking a player to renegotiate or releasing them mid-contract. Backwards thinking, considering the players are the ones who pay great sacrifice later in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Blast View Post
    Uhhh...TO already HAS his signing bonus...all of it...that's why it's called a signing bonus, the player gets it, all of it, when they sign their deal. NFL rules let the team spread out the cap hit across the contract's length, but the player gets all of it immediately upon signing the contract. And, the thing is, nobody thinks ANYTHING of teams constantly going to players, frequently productive ones, and telling them to take a pay cut, or they're gone...guess what, that's the same thing as a player asking for his deal redone. Now, I agree it gets stupid with some of these guys wanting a new contract on a bi-annual basis, especially the ones who are already getting paid. But I am completely on the side of a guy like Anquan Boldin who, 2 years in to his deal, was one of the most productive receivers in the league, AND one of the lowest paid starters in football, when he wants a new deal.

    I was not at all impressed with the glimpses seen of Brandon Jackson last year. I think he can be a nice niche back, but I don't see him as a guy who is ever going to be a feature running back. Has Grant proven he IS over the long haul? No, BUT he has a lot more evidence of success and consistency on his side than Jackson does.
    Thanks for explaining to me what a signing bonus is. I never knew You just made my point for me. Even if he never plays a down of Football again he's walking away with 13 million dollars. If Dallas asks him to take a pay cut he has still has 13 million in his pocket. If Dallas cuts him. He still gets his 13 million guaranteed. If a team asks a player to take a pay cut it's usually because he's not producing enough to warrant the big salary. If he is a good player someone will sign him anyway. If he is past his prime then it's time for him to retire anyway. Will you ever see 13 million in your life? Jackson struggled early last year then got hurt. Then did better in the final game. If you watched any Packers game last year you would have noticed how the blocking scheme started to come togther the last half of the season. In the zone blocking system supposedly you can plug in any back and get a good result. Grant may be better than Jackson, but it is way to big of a risk to give to give him any kind of huge signing bonus after only a half season. Once training camp gets closer he will sign the tender, because he has no choice. And if he doesn't want to sign the tender he can go work in a factory for $10 an hour. If you know anything about football and you seem to think you do. Then you would know that running back is the most easily replacable position in the game. You cry all you want over overpaid spoiled athletes, but I wont. Good day

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    I'll give you an example...Randall Godfrey. Godfrey was the heart of Tennessee's defense when they went to the Super Bowl. He didn't get the headlines (that would be Jevon Kearse, who is one of the most orverrated players I have EVER seen), but he was the heart of their run D. Had had a great run with the Titans, and had made a Pro Bowl. The team told him he would have to take a pay cut to stick, even though he had definitely lived up to his contract. He did, once management told ghim that they would keep him on the roster if he did so. Guess what? They didn't...he took tyhe vut, and they STILL cut him, doing so in the last week before the season started, knowing there was no way he was going to sign anywhere for less than the minimum.

    Now, management lied right to his face, and screwed him over, but where was the sports media to complain about that treatment? The only time we EVER hear about someone not living up to a contract, it's always the player.

    I'm not saying I agree with what they get paid...I also don't agree with the ridiculous ticket prices we, the fans, get charged to watch games, and THAT is the choice of the owners. If a player holds out for more, or starts whining when he's already one of the highest paid guys (hello, Chad Johnson), I have no time for that. However, when a guy like Godfrey gets screwed for trying to be a good guy, or when a guy like Boldin is asking for what he's earned with his play, I am completely on their side, too.

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    Every situation is different. Mcnair got screwed around by ten as well. This whole thing started with T.O. I was replying about T.O initially. T.O is IMO one of the most selfish self serving athlete's in the HISTORY of sports. You and Dickay were basically defending T.O. witch is what got me started. You guys both said how Sprewell is an idiot as he is, but T.O. is way worse than Sprewell. I can't understand how anyone could defend he actions. I just heard today that Grant and the Packers are close to a multi year incentive laden deal. So you may be right about Grant, but I don't see Tompson giving him alot of guarantedd money maybe a couple of million. Anyway the whole time Grant has been basically holding out. Brandon Jackson has spent the entire off-season in GB working out and has been getting alot of praise heaped on him. I understand the business end of the game. I can understand where grant is coming from, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleWie View Post
    Every situation is different. Mcnair got screwed around by ten as well. This whole thing started with T.O. I was replying about T.O initially. T.O is IMO one of the most selfish self serving athlete's in the HISTORY of sports. You and Dickay were basically defending T.O. witch is what got me started. You guys both said how Sprewell is an idiot as he is, but T.O. is way worse than Sprewell. I can't understand how anyone could defend he actions. I just heard today that Grant and the Packers are close to a multi year incentive laden deal. So you may be right about Grant, but I don't see Tompson giving him alot of guarantedd money maybe a couple of million. Anyway the whole time Grant has been basically holding out. Brandon Jackson has spent the entire off-season in GB working out and has been getting alot of praise heaped on him. I understand the business end of the game. I can understand where grant is coming from, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.
    I disagree about TO being worse than Spree (though, really, that isn't saying much )...Spree ALWAYS put himself ahead of the team. TO HAS at times been a team guy, the best example being that insane Super Bowl performance, when he shouldn't have even really been on the field. No way would Spree ever do that. However, don't get me wrong, man, I am NOT a fan of Owens at all, never have been. And, while I think he was right to ask to have his deal redone after Year 1 in Philly (in fact, I've read in a few places that the Eagles had pretty much told him they would do it, then never did, and Philly doesn't exactly have a fantastic track record for 'doing right' by their players in the Joe Banner era), he went way too far when he made himself bigger than the team, and started smacking down his teammates. That's pretty much the worst thing you can do if you're trying to get a big, new deal. Agree that Grant isn't going to get a MASSIVE deal, but I think he's going to get some solid, midlevel money, which wouldn't be too bad. Training camp hasn't even started up, yet, so I don't think there's any reason to be too worried about falling behind, if you're Grant.

    As for McNair, I think Tennessee made the right decision in that case (the guy was physically not at the same level, anymore), but they went about it in about as wrong a manner as a team can. It just made them look bad. They were another organization that, for awhile, people would not sign with because they also had a bad rap for not 'doing right' by the players.

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    Yeah here is another story on that from the USA Today

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