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    Re: Anyone up for the latest Dusty info?

    Quote Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG View Post
    This is quite possibly the most nit-picking I've ever seen in one place.
    If by nit-picking you mean correcting flat out errors, then yes - I agree.

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    Oooooh Can I show you up Houston and cause a fight...


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    Quote Originally Posted by belial View Post
    Ok, 1 out runners on 2nd and 3rd, tie game bottom of the ninth. The best outcome can actually be to make an out, (oh no!) say a sac fly. and drive in the runner. A walk (not making an out as HGM says) actually hampers your chance to score. It's really difficult state 'always' in baseball and not be wrong.
    1 out, runners 2/3, Tied game, Bottom 9th: Odds of winning: 79.3%
    1 out, Bases loaded. 83.4%
    http://winexp.walkoffbalk.com/expectancy/search

    So...how is that hampering your chance to score?

    Granted, a sacrifice fly to end the game is all well and good....but you can't guarantee that any more than you can guarantee a homer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belial View Post
    I said I was sorry. I didn't do it intentionally either. It's just sometimes you're wrong and you make excuses to why it doesn't matter that you're wrong, or how you're not really wrong.
    There's a difference between kindly pointing out an error, and trying to show somebody up.

    Why does it matter if it's Dusty managing a baseball team or you moderating a sports forum?
    You don't see the difference between some dude on the internet and a Major League Baseball manager?

    Quote Originally Posted by CatKnight
    So...how is that hampering your chance to score?
    It's not. A run scoring would've been a better outcome, but not making an out and not scoring run is also a positive outcome.

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    Those 79 vs 84 thing also assumes things that might not be true - like game conditions not changing, an exactly average hitter on deck, and an average double play turning infield.

    No - I don't see a difference. Giving the reporters an accurate stat report is not part of his job. Helping his team play to its maximum ability is. We don't even know if Dusty is just screwing with you guys.

    And finally, I said I was sorry - I didn't intend to show you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belial View Post
    No - I don't see a difference. Giving the reporters an accurate stat report is not part of his job. Helping his team play to its maximum ability is.
    Making decisions based on incorrect statistics is not helping his team play to its maximum ability.

    We don't even know if Dusty is just screwing with you guys.
    As I said, there comes a point where it really can't be considered some weird twisted genius anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatKnight View Post
    1 out, runners 2/3, Tied game, Bottom 9th: Odds of winning: 79.3%
    1 out, Bases loaded. 83.4%
    http://winexp.walkoffbalk.com/expectancy/search

    So...how is that hampering your chance to score?

    Granted, a sacrifice fly to end the game is all well and good....but you can't guarantee that any more than you can guarantee a homer.
    It depends on many many factors, in some cases you actually can hamper scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    You don't see the difference between some dude on the internet and a Major League Baseball manager?

    ahhhh ok.

    fundamental difference between you and i,

    "judge and prepare to be judged"

    if you wish to blog at length,
    then you are subject to the same critiquing
    that i routinely see you bestow upon journalists.

    if i or someone else then critiques you at length then we,they, too
    are subject to similiar critiquing.

    B) the answer sidesteps part of the question.
    i find this both "routine" and annoying.
    note "moderator of a sports forum" was changed to
    "some dude on the net"

    and to ME that is the largest portion of the question.
    your example as moderator sets the tone for the board,
    and you seem to reap what you sow.

    to me it seems quite strange for some one to nitpick about a topic and then complain when people nitpick their "facts".

    just my opinion

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    I'm saying the same thing - people look to HGM and believe what he says. If he's misleading these people, I take it upon myself to make sure they know the whole story. People here don't view HGM as some 'dude on the net' but someone who is a reliable source. Maybe it's not fair, but neither is Dusty being judged on anything but his results in the wins and loss column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeetDaMets View Post
    to me it seems quite strange for some one to nitpick about a topic and then complain when people nitpick their "facts".
    I don't care when people kindly correct mistakes I make. It's when people act snubbish towards me and try to make me out as a liar just because I forgot to mention an exception to something, that I care. I don't like it when people try to prove some point about me "nitpicking" things by eagerly awaiting any mistake I make just to point it out. I happen to think that discussing routinely stupid and incorrect statements by a Major League manager isn't nitpicking.

    Quote Originally Posted by belial View Post
    I'm saying the same thing - people look to HGM and believe what he says. If he's misleading these people, I take it upon myself to make sure they know the whole story. People here don't view HGM as some 'dude on the net' but someone who is a reliable source.
    I just wish you'd stop acting as if I am attempting to mislead people on purpose. Having a slip of the mind, or forgetting to mention an exception to something, is NOT misleading people. It's making a mistake, and I wouldn't mind if you kindly correct mistakes, but that's not what you do. You point out the mistake and then claim that I am attempting to mislead and lie to people. That is what I get fed up with.

    Maybe it's not fair, but neither is Dusty being judged on anything but his results in the wins and loss column.
    I think judging a Major League Baseball manager based on his decisions and logic is perfectly fair. Using only wins and losses shows a lack of understanding of managerial decisions.

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    I happen to think pointing out stupid and incorrect statements of a respected member and moderator who opens pandora's box by nitpicking a proven winner of a manager is ok.

    Where did I say it was intentional? But since you think I did already - Sometimes you do leave out the opposing evidence. I mean if you want to flag your posts, 'biased', then it would be ok, but people think you know you stuff and follow what you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    You point out the mistake and then claim that I am attempting to mislead and lie to people. That is what I get fed up with.
    thats understandable ...

    can you kindly provide an instance of belial stating
    you are a liar whose intent is to mislead ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by belial View Post
    I happen to think pointing out stupid and incorrect statements of a respected member and moderator who opens pandora's box by nitpicking a proven winner of a manager is ok.
    It still surprises me that you don't see the difference between baseball fans discussing a manager (who sure, was a "proven winner", mostly because he had the pleasure of managing one of the 2 greatest players in the history of the game) and the statements he makes, and anybody, moderator or not, forgetting to mention the exception that getting on base can still equal an out, if you get thrown out going for an extra base.

    Actually, it doesn't surprise me now that I think about it. You don't want to see the difference because you'd rather try to make me look stupid.

    Where did I say it was intentional? But since you think I did already - Sometimes you do leave out the opposing evidence. I mean if you want to flag your posts, 'biased', then it would be ok, but people think you know you stuff and follow what you say.
    By saying that I mislead people, you are most definitely leaving the implication that I am intentionally doing it. You don't simply say I made a mistake. You say I mislead, and I've had quite enough of the aggressive, incorrect accusations that you've routinely made against me. Point out mistakes in a kind, genuine manner. Don't be a jerk about it and make it out to be something it's not.

    Please, I am kindly asking that you stop your aggressive tone towards me, and drop your grudges.

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    I don't have a grudge against you. I have one against what you say.

    You don't find it laughable when someone tries to make someone else look silly, and makes himself look silly in the process? You open pandora's box then get mad at what you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeetDaMets View Post
    thats understandable ...

    can you kindly provide an instance of belial stating
    you are a liar whose intent is to mislead ?
    Quote Originally Posted by belial
    I'm saying the same thing - people look to HGM and believe what he says. If he's misleading these people, I take it upon myself to make sure they know the whole story.
    There's similar statements in other threads that I don't feel like looking for right now. Suffice it to say, whenever I make a mistake, he says that I'm misleading people. The two are not synonymous. Misleading carries an implication that it is intentional and that I am choosing to be inaccurate in an effort to bolster my position. Making a mistake is being human, and something everybody does a lot. If he said, "While it's true that getting on base does nearly always mean that you didn't make an out, you did forget to mention that it's possible to make an out while "getting on base" by being thrown out going for an extra base", or something along those lines, I wouldn't have a problem. I'd kindly admit that I didn't mention the exception to the rule. But that's not what he did, nor is that what he ever does. He always classifies it as "misleading people."

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