Red Sox might be wise to wash hands of Manny

[OldFatGuy]

Sorry to change gears, but I heard Jim Bowden mention something about Chacon not being picked up by anybody, and I had no clue what he was talking about. Somehow I must've missed a big incident in MLB. Could someone clue me in???? Thx.

[gRYFYN1]

Yeah..the BoSox are really struggling financially....their lack of money resources causes them to not be able to afford big contracts. Really unfair that they can't keep players like ManRam and his big money contract and build a quality team.

It has nothing to do with whether they can afford it, its whether they should.

They Yankees could afford Pavano's contract to, does that mean it was good?

Milwaukee can afford to pay Gagne 10 mil they year does that make that a good signing?

The dodgers aren;t going broke spending 18 mil on Andrew Jones does that mean they shouldv'e done that contact?

[HoustonGM]

Sorry to change gears, but I heard Jim Bowden mention something about Chacon not being picked up by anybody, and I had no clue what he was talking about. Somehow I must've missed a big incident in MLB. Could someone clue me in???? Thx.

He grabbed his GM by the neck and threw him to the ground.

[OldFatGuy]

He grabbed his GM by the neck and threw him to the ground.

Man, how the **** did I miss that one???

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Were you living in a cave for the past week, that could do it?

[KowboyKoop]

It has nothing to do with whether they can afford it, its whether they should.

They Yankees could afford Pavano's contract to, does that mean it was good?

Milwaukee can afford to pay Gagne 10 mil they year does that make that a good signing?

The dodgers aren;t going broke spending 18 mil on Andrew Jones does that mean they shouldv'e done that contact?

Manny is nothing like Pavano, Gagne, or A. Jones. The only question with Manny is whether he'll hit like an MVP or "only" one of the top 20 best hitters in baseball. Given their resources, there is no reason to not pick it up. If Manny had a history of injuries or was declining rapidly.....it'd be different. Given their unlimited budget, there is no risk.

[WHAK0985]

It has nothing to do with whether they can afford it, its whether they should.

They Yankees could afford Pavano's contract to, does that mean it was good?

Milwaukee can afford to pay Gagne 10 mil they year does that make that a good signing?

The dodgers aren;t going broke spending 18 mil on Andrew Jones does that mean they shouldv'e done that contact?

I'm pretty sure all the examples you just gave are not similar to Manny and the Red Sox' situation at all.

Pavano had one great year, hasn't done anything since. Yes, terrible contract.

Gagne was hurt and has been awful the past few years. Yes, not worth it.

Andruw Jones has been obviously declining both physically and talent-wise. Yes, not worth it.

Manny Ramirez has only delivered consistently excellent performances with only a slight decline the last two years due to aging.

Manny Ramirez >>>>>>> Gagne, Jones >>>>> Pavano

[WHAK0985]

Were you living in a cave for the past week, that could do it?

Or it could be that since it occurred in Houston, a relatively small media market, and it's the Astros, not exactly an internationally or nationally popular team, it didn't really register.

Honestly, on the argument that Manny isn't worth it despite all his antics is pretty incredulous. The only reason people make a big deal out of it is because Boston is such a huge media market and reporters have to write about something day in and day out. Yeah, shoving an employee for doing his job is wrong but it shouldn't be the proverbial last straw in deciding whether to retain him or not. He's a little quirky, but he produces, is very popular with fans, and as far as I know a good teammate.

[CatKnight]

So...tell me.


If I go out on the street and shove a 64 year old man, it's okay because I'm quirky? No. I'd be arrested for assault.

If I shoved a 64 year old coworker, at BEST I'd be fired.

I dunno what the Sox should do, but this doesn't fall under 'quirky behavior.' Ramirez could EASILY have hurt the man. This is one of those things that, if they keep him around, can NOT happen again.

Yes, Chacon grabbed his GM by the neck...but on the other hand Wade is a much younger man and apparently provoked it. Ramirez acted without provocation.

Ignoring this or not dealing with it with appropriate harshness makes the Red Sox culpable if Ramirez gets 'quirky' again.

[gRYFYN1]

If I shoved a 64 year old coworker, at BEST I'd be fired.

Yes, Chacon grabbed his GM by the neck...but on the other hand Wade is a much younger man and apparently provoked it.

1- sports players in general gain ALOT more latitude for behaviour than any other profession, they get in fights all the time

2- Ed Wade id 52, not alot younger

3- I'm not condoning Manny's behavior by any strech, its getting old regaurless of how good he is -but really many of his other issues have been overblown- and that is exactly why I think the Sox should look to replace him after the season.

[WHAK0985]

So...tell me.


If I go out on the street and shove a 64 year old man, it's okay because I'm quirky? No. I'd be arrested for assault.

If I shoved a 64 year old coworker, at BEST I'd be fired.

I dunno what the Sox should do, but this doesn't fall under 'quirky behavior.' Ramirez could EASILY have hurt the man. This is one of those things that, if they keep him around, can NOT happen again.

Yes, Chacon grabbed his GM by the neck...but on the other hand Wade is a much younger man and apparently provoked it. Ramirez acted without provocation.

Ignoring this or not dealing with it with appropriate harshness makes the Red Sox culpable if Ramirez gets 'quirky' again.

So you've never gotten into a heated argument with someone you know? They got into an argument, he got mad and pushed the other guy. Age should have nothing to do with it. If he was "only" 45 or so would it be looked at any differently? I'm pretty sure many workplaces would NOT fire you if you had a conflict with another worker. Ever heard of conflict resolution? Again, this is being blown way out of proportion.

[WHAK0985]

1- sports players in general gain ALOT more latitude for behaviour than any other profession, they get in fights all the time

2- Ed Wade id 52, not alot younger

3- I'm not condoning Manny's behavior by any strech, its getting old regaurless of how good he is -but really many of his other issues have been overblown- and that is exactly why I think the Sox should look to replace him after the season.

This is a totally objective question, something I don't know since I don't live in the East or know personally any Red Sox fans. Is the notion that Manny "has to go" a media invention? Or is this a general sentiment among Sox fans? Because as far as I know (and again, I don't know THAT much about Sox fans) there has been no clamoring by the so called Red Sox nation about Manny having to leave the Sox. As far as I know he's a beloved figure in New England. From what I've been hearing it's just a media thing.

And the Red Sox trying to waive/trade Manny in the past thing? I haven't heard anything like that since 2004...

[HoustonGM]

This "Manny should go" thing is something I've really only heard on this thread and the one linked article...

[TheNamelessPoet]

looks to me like 2 1 year options

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

This is a totally objective question, something I don't know since I don't live in the East or know personally any Red Sox fans. Is the notion that Manny "has to go" a media invention? Or is this a general sentiment among Sox fans? Because as far as I know (and again, I don't know THAT much about Sox fans) there has been no clamoring by the so called Red Sox nation about Manny having to leave the Sox. As far as I know he's a beloved figure in New England. From what I've been hearing it's just a media thing.

And the Red Sox trying to waive/trade Manny in the past thing? I haven't heard anything like that since 2004...

The "Manny has to go" thing is really neither. The Red Sox media, NESN mostly, is calling for due punishment, a fine, a suspension, something, to be made public, so the rest of the team knows they won't tolerate it, not to mention is just looks plain bad if they don't. And I haven't even see any of it besides in this thread.

He demanded a trade in '05 and '06 too, which obviously never happened.