Joba Rules

[HoustonGM]

But isnt/wasnt that the point of "Joba Rules" ....to protect him SO he could start ??

I was under the impression that the Joba Rules were instituted to prevent Joe Torre from giving into the urge to ride him hard, whether or not he'd eventually start.

Why put him on a 65-70 PC in the 1st place ?

Because you can't just go from throwing 10-20 pitches a game right to a starter workload. You have to be built up to it. They had Joba throw 30 in relief, then 45 (well, he ended up throiwng like 23 and then 22 in the bullepn after the game), and the next step was 65. I think his next start will have an 80 pitch count.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

I was under the impression that the Joba Rules were instituted to prevent Joe Torre from giving into the urge to ride him hard, whether or not he'd eventually start.

False ---- August 19 2007

I was under the impression that the Joba Rules were instituted to prevent Joe Torre from giving into the urge to ride him hard, whether or not he'd eventually start.

False ---- August 19 2007

In Chamberlain’s case, there are strict ground rules. As Torre has explained many times, he must give Chamberlain a day off for every inning he pitches. This is also true on the front end. That is, Chamberlain can pitch two innings only if he has been rested for at least two days beforehand.

“That’s in stone,” Torre said the other day. “That’s basically to protect the future of the kid.”

After today’s game, Torre was asked again about the Chamberlain rules.

“It’s restricted, but it’s not a surprise,” Torre said. “You have to make plans accordingly, and when you get caught up in bringing him into a game when we have a big lead, I’d rather do without him than not pitch him for five days and not know what you’re going to get. It’s like Mo – you might bring Mo in when you have a 10-run lead or you’re 10 runs behind, but he needs a day to pitch.”

Torre said the Yankees still view Chamberlain as a starter for the long term. He is 21 years old and pitching in his fourth level in his first professional season. The rules, he reiterated, will not change.

“I’m really not of a mind to bend them, because I don’t disagree with them,” he said. “Knowing that the plans are right now that he’s not going to be a reliever, he’s going to be a starter, and the most important thing is his well-being. Whether that’s overly cautious, if that’s the way it is, that’s the way it is. When you know going in, it’s not a guessing game.”

but as I said why didnt they do as they seemingly "programmed" in Spring (send him down to AAA to start 2 or 3 games) & then start him with a reasonable pitch count....anyways circular argument since this is all History now

[HoustonGM]

I've heard both reasons. But, it's really beside the point. They still had to build him up before letting up throw without a very strict pitch count. They couldn't just move him right from relief to a fullblown starting role.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

He is on a 65-70 pitch count SO you will need at LEAST 1 RP to get to Farnsworth &/or Hawkins.... (& that is being conservative)

I need to change jobs:

- Blue Jays seventh.
- J.Veras pitching.
- Scutaro singled to right.
- Rios singled to center, Scutaro to third.
- Rolen struck out.
- Ed.Ramirez pitching.
- Stairs walked, Rios to second.
- Overbay walked on four pitches, Scutaro scored, Rios to third, Stairs to second.
- Barajas doubled to left, Rios scored, Stairs scored, Overbay to third.
- Wilkerson was intentionally walked.
- Hawkins pitching.
- Eckstein doubled to right, Overbay scored, Barajas scored, Wilkerson to third.
- S.Stewart walked on a full count.
- Scutaro hit a sacrifice fly to left fielder Damon, Wilkerson scored.
- Rios grounded out to first baseman Giambi unassisted.

200 million doesn"t seem to buy you as much these days right ?

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Calling them the Joba rules is a joke to begin with. The "Joba Rules" are rules that most teams, at least to some extent, use with their young pitchers, they just ended up with that name because of Yankee publicity and hype.

[gRYFYN1]

Ha, what a capper, everyone knew Joba was gunna be the lead story on Baseball tonight yet Buck Showalter (ever the conusmate professional) lists his age as "20-21-22", he must had a long night,