Good ole small ball.

[dickay]

I am not surprised you are confused, however I am not going to go through the effort to explain it to you.

LOL, thats fine. I learned all I needed to learn watching the Yankee game last night. Hows it go????????

Oh yeah;

- Walk, Balk, passed ball, grounder to the second basemen scoring a run..."pure small ball".

- Taking advantage of poor defense..."ultimate small ball".

It's easy, and I was wrong. The media doesn't invent the terminology and label it onto teams that can't hit. I wonder if the Yankees and their 200 million dollar payroll scored in similar manners if it would also be termed as 'small ball'?

[TheNamelessPoet]

I wonder if the Yankees and their 200 million dollar payroll scored in similar manners if it would also be termed as 'small ball'?

not they would be ridiculed for not bunting arod down by 1 with 1 out in the 8th inning and a guy on 2nd. to me... its not even a question... i dont care he could win the game with 1 bat... get the d@mn runner over. i can kill me all u want i dont care... if im managing the team... he bunts or sints... im the manager i dont CARE of he is making 30 million.

dont give me the cr@p i used to hear about giambi... "oh he can't bunt he isnt any good at it." FUC*ING LEARN!!! take more than HR swings in batting practice

be a complete player and EARN your 20 million dlck

[TheNamelessPoet]

not they would be ridiculed for not bunting arod down by 1 with 1 out in the 8th inning and a guy on 2nd. to me... its not even a question... i dont care he could win the game with 1 bat... get the d@mn runner over. i can kill me all u want i dont care... if im managing the team... he bunts or sints... im the manager i dont CARE of he is making 30 million.

dont give me the cr@p i used to hear about giambi... "oh he can't bunt he isnt any good at it." FUC*ING LEARN!!! take more than HR swings in batting practice

be a complete player and EARN your 20 million dlck

sorry got a little carried away there

[HoustonGM]

Now you're just being silly.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. You're just calling him silly and saying that you're not going to explain something to him.

What exactly is your point?

[TheNamelessPoet]

What exactly is your point?

thats the point

[Rongar]

Dickay...and others who decry small ball. Here's how it works for me in BM.

As mentioned, I operate the "Canajun Ehs", mostly in the PBP menu.

When pitching, I use "Pitch by Pitch"

When at bat, I revert to "Manager" mode, until I've either seen the opposing starter off, or until he exceeds his pitch-count, at which time, I'll opt for remaining in that mode, if it has proven productive in the game so far, or, if the hits in that mode have been few, I'll revert to "pitch by pitch" whilst batting, in the hope of exploiting a tired starter, or a new reliever, before he picks up his "rhythm"

In playing a game per day in this fashion for the past few months, I've come to realise that the Ehs' hitters have a tendency to:-

(1) Leave men on base.

(2) Hit into double-plays.

To overcome these bad habits, I have evolved the following tactics:

My lead-off man gets on...with the next guy at the plate, I then select "Run & Hit"...not so much to steal a base - altho imo, this tactic is more effective than either "Hit & Run" or "Steal 2nd" in getting the runner to 2nd - as to avoid the batter hitting into the DP.

If I find myself with a man at second, with nobody out, I select "bunt for hit"

If I find myself at 3rd with less than 2 out, I select "bunt for hit"

Given my hitters' "inherent problems" -inability to drive in runs; tendency to hit into DPs - this "small ball" strategy works for me, as a BM GM...given a real-life coach with similar problems, I don't see why it wouldn't work for him.

[TheNamelessPoet]

My lead-off man gets on, the next guy at the plate, I then select "Run & Hit"...not so much to steal a base - altho imo, this tactic is more effective than either "Hit & Run" or "Steal 2nd" in getting the runner to 2nd - as to avoid the batter hitting into the DP.

If I find myself with a man at second, with nobody out, I select "bunt for hit"

If I find myself at 3rd with less than 2 out, I select "bunt for hit"

thats just plain good baseball

[dickay]

Sorry Ronger, I didn't read your whole post............i really don't care how it works in a baseball simulation game. We're talking real life 'small ball' here.

As far as yankee hater goes........how am I being silly?? Thats what they said during the broadcast!!!!!!! Did you watch it????

You know dang well I believe there is more to the game than statistics, and there is a time and place to drop a bunt or hit & run (and with Arod up it isn't that time or place lol, but i'm not getting into that at the moment). But to say a team 'plays' small ball is ludicrous. There's no such thing. It's just an excuse for a team that hits poorly, and because you can't explain your thought process don't hide behind the 'i'm not going to explain it' **** lol. As I stated, there's a reason why the NL is the league where 'small ball' is used more often....it's because pitchers can't hit!! Small ball is not a philosophy or a game strategy. The Blue Jays didn't go into yesterdays game trying to 'manufacture' runs by bunting and stealing bases. When the opportunity arises they'll do so, just as a power hitting team will.

But if you listen to the ***** yankee broadcasters, the blue jays are such experts at 'small ball' one would think they caused the balk and errors?!

[HoustonGM]

Houston - I'm not going to respond to hostile people anymore, especially when they use a silly situation that doesn't even fit 'small ball' then expect a response.

His point was that those silly situations were being called smallball by the media. And that supports his opinion that "smallball teams" are just a creation of the media, and a term used to describe teams that don't hit well.

Now stop stirring the pot, you're supposed to moderate - not instigate.

I'm not stirring any pot. If you disagree with what dickay is saying, it'd be nice of you to explain why, instead of just calling him silly.

[HoustonGM]

Small ball is a strategy of play to increase the chance of a one run inning at the cost of a big inning - I don't see what is so hard to comprehend about all this.

And does any follow that as an overall philosophy of how to play ALL THE TIME?

NO. All teams do that when it's called for.

And that is what dickay is saying. He's not saying "smallball" doesn't exist. He's saying that teams don't "try" to play smallball all, or most, of the time. They use it, for the most part, when it's called for.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Small ball is a strategy of play to increase the chance of a one run inning at the cost of a big inning - I don't see what is so hard to comprehend about all this.

if ur down by 5 in the 8th u dont generaly try that but in the 1-6th it makes prefect sence to "chip away" which is whats its called more now

[dickay]

Small ball is a strategy of play to increase the chance of a one run inning at the cost of a big inning - I don't see what is so hard to comprehend about all this.

You're confusing this 'strategy' with what baseball people know as a 'sacrifice'. All i'm saying is that no team is a 'small ball' team. Anyone who's called that is just a poor hitting team, plain and simple.

[TheNamelessPoet]

And does any follow that as an overall philosophy of how to play ALL THE TIME?

NO. All teams do that when it's called for.

no they dont... thats the point i THINK people were making is that it should be done in certain situations

[HoustonGM]

no they dont... thats the point i THINK people were making is that it should be done in certain situations

Right.

[TheNamelessPoet]

You're confusing this 'strategy' with what baseball people know as a 'sacrifice'. All i'm saying is that 'small ball' is that no team is a 'small ball' team. Anyone who's called that is just a poor hitting team, plain and simple.

also a good point... but some teams use it more than others. for examply... you dont see the yanks or sox use it often but angels and MINNY use it more