Well I would say if you have more wins than anyone else you would be the best pitcher. So far Wang leads the AL in wins therefore he is the best pitcher in the AL.
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Well I would say if you have more wins than anyone else you would be the best pitcher. So far Wang leads the AL in wins therefore he is the best pitcher in the AL.
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Except...wins are an incredibly flawed stat. Wins are very offense-dependent. They tell you nothing about how a pitcher has pitched. Cliff Lee has been the best pitcher in the AL so far, and that's really indisputable..Originally Posted by RickD
Matt Cain was 7-16 last season. Dave Bush was 12-10. Was Matt Cain really worse than Dave Bush?
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Yeah, but we all know that Lee won't keep it up.
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Obviously, a sub-1.00 era is pretty much impossible to keep up for anybody, but to say that Wang has been the best pitcher this year because he has the most wins is just flat-out wrong.
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Please note the Yanks are winning again today!
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If I am trying to make the playoffs I would rather have Dave's wins verses Matt's better stats....
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Also I am arguing from the fan's perspective. I would rather have wins and a playoff shot than having a statistically better pitcher with no wins and no playoff hopes. To me as a fan most wins do equal better pitcher!
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But the reason Dave Bush had more wins wasn't because of how he pitched...It's because the Brewers were a better offensive team than the Giants...If Cain got better run support, he wouldn't have had such a bad record...Cain had 8 losses where he allowed 3 or less runs, and 3 of those had allowed just 1 run. You're telling me that that's his fault he lost?
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A statistically better pitcher will have more wins if backed up by a statistically better offense that gives him more runs.
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NYY = 16-16... getting ready to be 17-16
NYM = 15-13
HMMM.... Yeah dude, we're sucking really badly!
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HGM,
19 wins in consecutive seasons plus a very solid ERA... CMW is a TOP pitcher, and can be argued as the BEST.
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He's no doubt a very good pitcher, among the best, but it can't be argued that he IS the best when Jake Peavy, Brandon Webb, Johan Santana, and a number of other pitchers are still roaming the earth.
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Wang is very good, lets leave it at that. I'm not saying he is the best over the past year...and I'm not saying he isnt either. Right off the top of my head, he's likely in the top 5 or so. This from a Red Sox fan, who despises everything Yankee.
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2006-2007, best ERA+, min. 320 IP:
Brandon Webb 154
Johan Santana 145
Roy Oswalt 144
C.C. Sabathia 142
John Lackey 139
Scott Kazmir 135
Erik Bedard 132
John Smoltz 132
Roy Halladay 131
Kelvin Escobar 130
Carlos Zambrano 126
Justin Verlander 125
Bronson Arroyo 125
Aaron Harang 125
Brad Penny 124
Jake Peavy 123
Chris Young 123
Chien-Ming Wang 123
Derek Lowe 121
Curt Schilling 121
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