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I will concur with that statement.Originally Posted by HoustonGM
But not with the Sawx fan that said that there is a "good chance" that Phil Hughes will turn out a bust. You're a Sawx fan, so you best hope for that. But any logical person knows that there is not a "good chance" that he will turn out a bust. I think it's safe to assume that he will be at the very least, serviceable. Many still think that he will be an ace. We shall see, though.
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Well, there is. The overwhelming majority of young pitchers turn out to be busts. The chance that any young pitcher turns out to be a bust is extremely high.
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Wow as a die hard RedSox fan and Yankee hater this whole conversation makes me shake my head.
Seriously we are arguing over who had the better "prospects" which are all "prospects", 90% of which haven't even seen the majors.
Most teams have alot of prospects, many will flame out and never live to expectations, all the Red Sox and Yankees ones included. Many of these guys, especially the pitchers, are still way too young to figure out, "projecting" a gut to be a top of the rotation guy is a joke. Take for instance Jonathon Paperbon Vs Jon Lester, 3-4 years ago most scouts though Lester would be the better pitcher and Papelbon would be a middle rotation guy.
Or look back 18 years ago to the Sox and the Larry Anderson trade, the Astros wanted Scott Cooper,Mo Vaughn, Phil Plantier. Kevin Morton. David Owen 1st but they "settled" Jeff Bagwell .
So really have fun argueing minor league prospects it dosen;t really work, even for the pros.
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LMAO...I don't think I overrated or underrated anyone in my post and I made sure not to mention any true minor leagues who haven't tasted the bigs yet because there is no basis to project them on anything.
This was my post basically;
I gave you three and if you want to add Wang fine. I will however point to the FACT that at this point based solely on MLB performance Lester, and Bucholtz seem like a much better bet than Hughes & Kennedy. Just basing on whats in the pros today, the Sawx have far and away the superior young talent. Lowrie has far too little big league experience to throw in the discussion but Papelbon, Lester, Bucholtz, Delcarmen, Ellsbury, and Pedroia outperform Wang, Cano, Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy. It wasn't even close until Wang got thrown into the discussion who I will admit I omitted in error.Cano is a nice young talent, and Hughes and Chamberlain have talent but Cabrera and Kennedy are nothing special. It has gotta be grueling to have to sit quietly and watch these three aforementioned young Sawx coupled with Youk, Papelbon, Lester, Bucholtz, and Delcarmen.
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The thing is though, the Sox young guys have a larger amount of MLB experience than the Yankees guys, so if you're basing it solely on their MLB performance, obviously the Sox are going to come out ahead. In terms of their young guys' future potential, the Yankees and Red Sox both have great potential, and the difference between the two is negligible.
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I agree I am splitting hairs and Hughes could ease in and be the next ugh...Clemens?? Who knows, thats the thing with prospects. I dont' think the Sox spects in the MLB today have much more MLB experience than the Yanks spects do. Hughes & Kennedy have more experience than Bucholtz and Lester has slightly more than Hughes I believe. Cano & Cabrera have more experience than Ellsbury & Pedroia and I think Cano was around prior to Papelbon too. Wang has alot of MLB seasoning.
In the end this has been a dumb argument lol.
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Yeah, the fact of the matter is both teams have a great amount of young talent, and the potential of that young talent is huge for both teams. Arguing over which team has better young talent is silly because both teams have such a great amount that any difference between them is really irrelevent.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that Hughes is the next Clemens, but he is good. I find him just a little overrated.
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I agree that both teams have very good young talent. I won't doubt that at all. I will go as far to say that the Sawx probably have better young ML ready talent. I think both farm systems are very comparable. I am a little biased, and will say that the Yankees are a little deeper. I don't wanna start this argument back up, though. This whole topic was about David Ortiz and his slump, lol... Think we got a big off topic?
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Everyone knows Ortiz will bounce back though... or, he won't, and eventually he'll probably be benched (and then it'll be a real story). Either way, there's really not much left to talk about.
...well, there is this. I watched him in MLB.TV, and he's not doing anything visably wrong. This whole thing is easy enough to chaulk up as a perfect example of variation (or, luck).
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If this happened at some point in the middle of the season, very little, if anything, would be said about it. But, it happened in April, where there isn't a couple months worth of stats to pad his totals, so you see the ugly stats.
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yup
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Actually if you watch he is still standing more vertical, similar to what he did last year to compensate for his injured knee.
More than likely it has something to do with the fact he adjusting to his older style as opposed to the slightly different stance/approach he used last year while injured.
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huh, that's interesting. I'm an Angels fan not a Sox fan, so I don't really watch the Sox that often. Like I said above, he didn't seem to be doing anything strange, but that could certainly explain some of the trouble he's been having.
If that's definately true then this doesn't qualify as a "slump" at all. He's playing injured. That brings up a point as well, since this sort of thing isn't all that uncommon. Probably more than half of all "slumps" are actually players dealing with injuries, so their real skill level has actually declined.
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Its no so much that's he injured now, its that he was injured all of last year and had to adjust his hitting style to compensate (with pretty good results).
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