sorry, I mean't career wise..
Sandberg had a Better Peak than Biggio....84-90
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sorry, I mean't career wise..
Sandberg had a Better Peak than Biggio....84-90
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Career, WARP3:
1) Alomar 132.5
2) Whitaker 128.7
3) Biggio 120.9
4) Kent 113.9
5) Sandberg 107.0
6) Baerga 55.1
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Sandberg's best years came in 1991 and 1992, using WARP3, due to high defensive marks those seasons, plus career high OBP's.Originally Posted by boomboom
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Defensive Stats have no base, because they can't account for everything, that is something I do hate about Defensive stats and why I don't care for WARP3.
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Defensive stats are certainly shaky, at least for historical times, and WARP3 uses the "basic" defensive stats, not any advanced range-based methods, so the defensive gripe about WARP3 is certainly legitimate, but it's still a fairly solid stat, and it does agree with you that Sandberg had a better peak than Biggio, but even ignoring defensive stats, Sandberg's peak was 1989-1992, 4 straight seasons with OPS+ of 134 or better. His 1984 and 1985 were outstanding seasons, as well, but they were followed by 3 solid but not spectacular seasons, which is why it's hard to make a case that his peak was 1984-1990, rather than 1989-1992.
Rogers Hornsby was the greatest second basemen of all times. Sandberg is not even in the top five.
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This depends. He was undoubtedly and without question the best hitting second basemen of all time. However, by all accounts I've read, he was the closest you can be to "brutal" defensively without being a downright butcher. He didn't provide a ton of baserunning value either. Those two things are what give Morgan and Collins legitimate cases, They were prolific basestealers that stole at high rates, while also playing good defense - brilliant in Collins' case by all accounts,
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It's a shame Niehaus is only human.
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NO HE IS GOD!It's a shame Niehaus is only human.
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What is WARP3????Defensive stats are certainly shaky, at least for historical times, and WARP3 uses the "basic" defensive stats, not any advanced range-based methods, so the defensive gripe about WARP3 is certainly legitimate, but it's still a fairly solid stat, and it does agree with you that Sandberg had a better peak than Biggio
Ugh, Sabrmetrics are so damned frustrating! Why can't people use simple stats like BA/HR/RBI's for hitters and Wins/ERA/Strikeouts/Opp. BA for pitchers?
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Wins Above Replacement Player.
Because BA/HR/RBI tells you next to nothing about a hitter's offensive value.Ugh, Sabrmetrics are so damned frustrating! Why can't people use simple stats like BA/HR/RBI's for hitters and Wins/ERA/Strikeouts/Opp. BA for pitchers?
RBI tells you nothing of a hitter's ability. Wins tells you nothing of a pitcher's ability.
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.285 AVG, 31 HR, 75 RBI
.296 AVG, 30 HR, 94 RBI
Who's better?
7-16, 3.65 ERA, 163 K in 200 IP
16-10, 2.63 ERA, 62 K in 225.2 IP
Who's better?
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The short blurbs in the BP glossary don't explain much about the stat. Unfortunately, a lot of the inner workings of stats like WARP aren't publically available. There's some stuff, like this on VORP (Value Over Replacement Player), which is a part of the offensive component of WARP, but the full formula of WARP isn't available.
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if the full formula of WARP isn't available then don't use it because nobody knows how you got the numbers...
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