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Thread: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

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    Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    NEW YORK (AP) - Baseball players and owners agreed Friday to more frequent drug testing and increased — but not total — authority for the program's outside administrator.

    All players implicated in December's Mitchell Report on peformance-enhancing drugs were given amnesty as part of the agreement, which toughens baseball's drug rules for the third time since the program began in 2002.

    Thus, the deal eliminated 15-day suspensions assessed against Jose Guillen and Jay Gibbons.

    The independent administrator, a position created in November 2005, will be given an initial three-year term and can be removed only if an arbitrator finds cause. Until now, he could be fired at any time by either side.

    But baseball did not heed advice from the World Anti-Doping Agency and turn drug testing over to an outside agency.

    In addition, the decision over whether a player can be subjected to reasonable-cause testing will remain with management and the union, with any disagreement decided by the sport's regular arbitrator. Also, a joint management-union body called the Treatment Board will supervise the part of the program relating to drugs of abuse, such as cocaine.

    Reps. Henry Waxman and Tom Davis, leaders of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that has held hearings on drug use, said in a joint statement they were "pleased that Major League Baseball has taken steps to strengthen its drug-testing policy."

    Yet the changes were not enough for Dr. Gary Wadler, chairman of the committee that determines the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned-substances list.

    "It's another incremental step. It's better than it was but not where it needs to be," said Wadler, who faulted baseball for not adding blood testing for human growth hormone and for not turning testing over to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    "This still falls significantly short of the mark, no matter what internal bureaucracy they've patched together," Wadler said.

    As part of the agreement, players will join Major League Baseball's efforts to educate youth about performance-enhancing drugs, and their union will contribute $200,000 to an anti-drug organization.

    In exchange for those two provisions, baseball commissioner Bud Selig agreed not to discipline players implicated by Mitchell during his 1 1/2-year investigation.

    "We are gratified that commissioner Selig chose to accept Sen. Mitchell's recommendation that no further punishment of players is warranted," union head Donald Fehr said. "In many instances the naming of players was punishment enough; in others it may have been unfair."

    Guillen and Gibbons were suspended in December following media reports linking them to performance-enhancing drugs. Those penalties were put on hold just before opening day as negotiators neared an agreement.

    "It is time for the game to move forward," Selig said. "There is little to be gained at this point in debating dated misconduct and enduring numerous disciplinary proceedings."

    The sides agreed that in future investigations, allegations against players won't be made public unless discipline is imposed, and that a player will be given the allegations and evidence against him before any investigatory interview.

    While the sides agreed that records of negative tests be kept for two years, they did not agree to keep the actual urine samples.

    Players and owners reached their first joint drug agreement in August 2002, then under pressure amended it in January 2005 and instituted a 10-day penalty for first offenses. After Congress pushed for more changes, they amended it a second time in November 2005, changing the first offense to a 50-game suspension, banning amphetamines and creating the independent program administrator, who shared power with a management-union Health Policy Advisory Committee.

    In his recommendations, Mitchell said the program should be administered "by a truly independent authority" in the form of an expert who couldn't be removed except for good cause, an independent nonprofit corporation or another structure created by the sides.

    As a result, the HPAC is being disbanded, and its duties largely turned over to the administrator, Dr. Bryan Smith.

    In the deal, the sides agreed:

    Annual tests will rise by 600 to 3,600.

    As many as 375 offseason tests can be conducted over the next three years, up from the current limit of 60 per offseason.

    testing will include the top 200 prospects for each year's annual draft.

    the IPA will issue an annual report detailing what substances resulted in positive tests, the number of tests given and therapeutic use exemptions by category of ailment.

    additional substances were added to the banned list, among them: insulin-like growth factor, gonadotropins, aromatase inhibitors, selective estrogen receptor modulators, and clomid and other antiestrogens.

    an automatic stay for an initial suspension will be expanded to players disciplined for conduct unrelated to a positive test.
    The sides also disclosed a previously unannounced agreement struck during the 2006 labor talks in which they specified the commissioner has authority to discipline players under a just cause standard for violations of the drug agreement that don't carry a specified penalty.

    "Going into this negotiation, the commissioner was 100 percent correct that we had the best program in professional sports," said Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice president for labor relations. "These changes just solidify that kind of premier leadership position in my view."

    The new joint drug agreement, which must be ratified by both sides, runs until Dec. 11, 2011, when baseball's labor contract expires. The sides will meet annually with the IPA, the collection company and the laboratory to consider changes.

    "Given the series of modifications which have previously been made, as well as the flexibility provided for in the current JDA, we do not expect to be renegotiating the JDA again prior to the next scheduled round of collective bargaining," Fehr said.

    Selig's next step will be to determine whether management employees should be disciplined for conduct mentioned in the Mitchell Report. He already has met with officials of the San Francisco Giants, who were mentioned prominently. Manfred said no decisions on management discipline have been made.

    Selig said any fines imposed on management will be donated to the Partnership of a Drug Free America and the Taylor Hooton Foundation.

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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    Nope players will still cheat thats they way it works. They still cheat and get away with it in the Olympics and and they are subject to WADA and USADA testing and Marion Joines still almost got away with it.

    They still cheat id Football and thats considered to have they best testing of the pro sports.

    Any step to to stamp it out is a good step, but ultimately its a game a Whack-a-Mole: They just keep coming until you give up, just hope you collect enough tickets to get you a nifty spider ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gRYFYN1 View Post
    Nope players will still cheat thats they way it works. They still cheat and get away with it in the Olympics and and they are subject to WADA and USADA testing and Marion Joines still almost got away with it.

    They still cheat id Football and thats considered to have they best testing of the pro sports.

    Any step to to stamp it out is a good step, but ultimately its a game a Whack-a-Mole: They just keep coming until you give up, just hope you collect enough tickets to get you a nifty spider ring.
    what is the solution then?
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    The ultimate solution to eliminate them ?

    Thats the point there is NO WAY to do it, just keep whacking ans scoop up as many as possible. like i said "any step is a good step .. " but to ultimately solve the issue, you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wassit3 View Post
    what is the solution then?
    Quit trying
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    Quit trying
    if baseball stops testing and makes any and all performance enhancing drugs legal what effect on stats do you think this would have? Do you think that because everyone will probably use that it will end up having a nullifying affect and stats will stay with in historical norms???
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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    who cares...
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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    the players who do not want to harm their bodies but are edged out by users probably care, as should the union, since players' health should be one of their top concerns.

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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    *shrug*
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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    They should definitely test and discipline players that fail, but I think that going on witch hunts to get players, or nabbing players and suspending them based on anonymous accusations (such as what happened with Jordan Schafer) should not occur at all. It's impossible to ever stop players from using drugs, but I do think testing and discipline should be in place for those that test positive.

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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    They should definitely test and discipline players that fail, but I think that going on witch hunts to get players, or nabbing players and suspending them based on anonymous accusations (such as what happened with Jordan Schafer) should not occur at all. It's impossible to ever stop players from using drugs, but I do think testing and discipline should be in place for those that test positive.
    Agreed.

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    Actually, I do to... I really am just tired of all of this.
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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    It'd be great if the MLB would just stop trying to find out who used 10-15 years ago and focus on preventing use from now on. But, unfortunately, stupidly, and illogically, they feel it's more important to ascertain who may have used at some point in the past.

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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    It'd be great if the MLB would just stop trying to find out who used 10-15 years ago and focus on preventing use from now on. But, unfortunately, stupidly, and illogically, they feel it's more important to ascertain who may have used at some point in the past.
    that is because the owners and media perceive baseball records to be more hallowed than other sports....
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    Re: Players, owners reach deal; suspensions rescinded

    Quote Originally Posted by Wassit3 View Post
    that is because the owners and media perceive baseball records to be more hallowed than other sports....
    Agree one hundred percent, Wassit.

    I don't have an issue with investigations in to older drug use for one reason...you can find out who the SUPPLIERS were.

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