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Thread: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

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    Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    Huge payroll. Slow start. Lowest OPS in the American League heading into play Thursday night.

    Detroit Tigers? Nope.

    Hit List Better watch out. The last place anyone wants to land is on The Henchman's Hit List. Follow along to see why. It's the New York Yankees, who arrive in Boston this weekend after splitting a series with the Rays and dropping a series to the Royals. Lost in all the shovelfuls of dirt being heaped on the Tigers during their 0-7 start were some foreboding signs in New York.

    The Yankees have a perilous mix of players who are well past their prime, young pitchers who haven't reached theirs yet and two journeymen middle relievers racing each other to the waiver wire. This will add up to the unthinkable: no October baseball in the Bronx for the first time since the strike year of 1994.

    This week's Hit List runs down the Top 10 reasons the Yanks' streak of consecutive playoff appearances will end at unlucky 13.


    Jorge Posada
    The Dorian Gray of big league catchers. Posada defied a century of baseball wisdom last season by having the best year of his career as a 36-year-old catcher in 2007. In so doing he cashed in on a four-year, $52.4M contract. And seemingly upon inking the deal, the lines in the portrait began a sudden and inevitable crumble. Posada started the season slowly with three singles in his first 17 at bats (.176) and is now battling a shoulder injury that is preventing him from catching. If Posada's injury lingers, he will join Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui on the growing list of high-priced Yankees whose primary value is at designated hitter.


    Derek Jeter

    You know you're getting old when a new generation of shortstops who wear No. 2 in your honor (Troy Tulowitzki, Hanley Ramirez, Jhonny Peralta) start reaching the majors. Expectations for Jeter run so high few noticed that he actually exceeded them the last two years. After hitting .314 for the first 10 years of his career, the first-ballot Hall of Famer bumped that number up to .333 over the last two seasons combined. Jeter is 34 now and when he pulled his quad beating out a double-play ball earlier this week it was a grim reminder of a mortality he has rarely displayed in his amazing career. His slow start (.208/.240/.292) and leg injury are eerie harbingers in New York that Jeter's decline phase may have finally begun.

    Jason Giambi
    One of the saddest sights of the post-Steroid Era is watching those implicated try to prove that their careers were not built on juice alone. So far, Jason Giambi is doing a very bad job of that. Coming off a season in which he hit .236 with 14 home runs and missed 79 games, the 37-year-old has one hit in his first 14 at bats. A below-average first baseman, Giambi would be a logical DH, save for the fact that his career OPS drops off over 200 points when he's not playing in the field.

    Johnny Damon
    With Melky Cabrera establishing himself as a game-changing centerfielder with his glove and arm, Johnny Damon has been relegated to a LF/DH option. Those aren't slots in the lineup normally reserved for a guy coming off a .747 OPS season. The 34-year-old Damon is off to a slow start and slated to make $26M over the next two seasons. Even if he were to get his OPS back up to his career .786 mark — he's at .649 after two weeks — he'd still be a grossly overpaid liability as a corner outfielder who can't throw.


    Andy Pettitte
    There was a lot of hand wringing over how Andy Pettitte would respond this season in the wake of the wrenching testimony he was forced to provide against his friend Roger Clemens. A more relevant concern might have been just how much to expect from a 35-year-old with a bad back who allowed 476 hits in 429 innings the last two seasons. If his first start was any indication, the answer is not a lot. Pettitte got roughed up in a 6-3 loss to the Rays, allowing eight hits and two walks over five shaky innings.


    Mike Mussina
    Moose is 39 years old and coming off the worst season of his career. You don't have to be Bill James to figure out that's a bad combination. Mussina's K/BB ratio dipped to 2.6-to-1 last season, the first time it had been under 3:1 since 1994. After a bad first outing, Mussina bounced back in his last start against the Rays. But when Joba Chamberlain comes to take the ball from one of the Yankee starters this summer, there's a good chance it will be the end of Mussina's largely disappointing tenure (3-7 in his last 10 postseason decisions) in New York.


    Ian Kennedy
    The 23-year-old Kennedy is by no means a flamethrower in the Joba Chamberlain mold, but some of those mid-80s radar gun readings in his first start had to concern the Yankees' front office. Not only was his velocity down from a year ago, but he was all over the place, walking four in 2.1 brutal innings. Things didn't improve much in his soggy relief appearance on Wednesday as he went walk, double, base hit to the first three batters he faced, allowing two runs before getting an out. Right-handed soft-tossers who walk guys aren't long for the big leagues, much less the rotation of the highest-priced team in baseball.


    Phil Hughes
    For 6.1 spectacular innings of no-hit ball in Texas last May, the Yankees glimpsed the future and had to believe they were seeing the second coming of David Cone. But in Hughes' 14 other Major League starts he is 4-4 with a 4.90 ERA and a less than 2-to-1 K/BB ratio (58K, 31BB). The future may still be bright, but after the 21-year-old Hughes was roughed up for 10 baserunners in three innings in K.C. on Tuesday it just doesn't appear to be now.


    Kyle Farnsworth, LaTroy Hawkins
    There are two reasons guys end up middle relievers: not good enough to start and not good enough to close. Few embody those limitations more than Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins. In eight outings this season they have allowed 19 hits and four walks in 9.1 innings, while combining for a 9.64 ERA. The bridge to Mariano Rivera might be secure with Chamberlain, but the bridge to the bridge is looking pretty treacherous.


    Joe Girardi
    So much of managerial success is about timing. When Joe Torre arrived in New York, he had a rookie shortstop beginning a Hall of Fame career and a winning nucleus of Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera in their primes. Compare that to the situation Joe Girardi has inherited. Not only has Torre established the standard of making the playoffs every year with anything less than a title considered a failure, but now Jeter, 34; Posada, 36; Giambi, 37; Damon, 34; Rivera, 38; Pettitte, 35; and Mike Mussina, 39, are all in their decline phases. Girardi's first controversial decision backfired as he played weatherman in Kansas City and pulled Kennedy from his scheduled start for fear of losing him to a rain delay. The Yankees lost 4-0 as Farnsworth and Kennedy each got nicked for two runs in relief of emergency starter Brian Bruney, while Royals starter Zach Greinke dazzled in the raindrops for eight uninterrupted innings. This was the gig Girardi wanted. We'll see how long he has it if the Yankees miss the playoffs.

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    Most of these are just silly... but I won't bother pointing out the baseless leaps of logic in all of them (of course, mostly it's in the "logic" of projecting a player's season based on his performance in the first couple of weeks) because I'm too distracted trying to figure out how starting Ian Kennedy would have resulting in the team actually scoring runs. Or maybe the idea is that if Kennedy had started he would have posted the first negative-run outing in baseball history and NY would have won 0 to -2.

    Yep, Girardi really blew that one.

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    The Yankees will be fine, this article is so negative, it's not even worth reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koolzach1 View Post
    The Yankees will be fine, this article is so negative, it's not even worth reading.
    Also, it bases its entire premise on miniscule sample sizes. That's why it's really not even worth reading!

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Also, it bases its entire premise on miniscule sample sizes. That's why it's really not even worth reading!
    HGM I thought you just LOVED when sport experts did that
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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Also, it bases its entire premise on miniscule sample sizes.
    Not only that, but on selecting smaller samples than are actually available. For example, regarding Pettitte:
    If his first start was any indication, the answer is not a lot. Pettitte got roughed up in a 6-3 loss to the Rays, allowing eight hits and two walks over five shaky innings.
    But since this article was clearly written after Pettitte's second start, a 6-1 win in Kansas City ("...arrive in Boston this weekend after splitting a series with the Rays and dropping a series to the Royals"), why assume that his first start is any better "indication" than his second?

    Simple: choose only the facts that support your premise; ignore any that run counter to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayC View Post
    I'm too distracted trying to figure out how starting Ian Kennedy would have resulting in the team actually scoring runs.
    Hah! funny stuff. I think we all assume the Yankees will do their usual 94+ win season, including myself (avid Red Sox fan). It's silly to think that they'll somehow end up in the cellar (like they were at the end of April last year). These things have a way of working themselves out, given time.

    Still, that doesn't mean he doesn't have some valid points - sure, question marks in the rotation (aren't there in any?), but also the glut of multi-million-dollar-DH candidates, and the possibility that the successful core of years past are collectively in their declining years. His points may have some validity; only time will tell.

    Now, let's get ready for some good Dice-K action tonight!

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    sure the Yankees aren't great this year, but this article definitely didn't show why. A couple of good examples in the article, but I think that the "1 for for 14!!" and other examples of poor play this season are completely useless. We're about 5% into the season.

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewOsborn View Post
    We're about 5% into the season.
    Yep... stuff like "if [Pettitte's] first start was any indication..." (even if it hadn't been written after his second start) are not much more valid than if this guy a year ago had written "if Alex Rodriguez' first three at bats in 2007 are any indication, he's going to have a terrible season."

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    He shouldn't have used the small sample sizes, I agree. But even the most ardent Yanks fan can't ignore their age and the inability for a number of them to play the field with any competence.

    If they do well again this year, it will be despite the individual players on the roster at this point in time, not because of them.

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    Re: Reasons Yanks will be home this October

    As an avid Red Sox fan, I sadly feel I am one of the few realists in the 'nation'. I listen to WEEI frequently, and there are others who see the truth but we are the minority.

    The Red Sox have a great team and a great shot at the division but in no way should the Yankees be seen as a much lesser team. Quite the contrary. This is a team that last season had a horrific start and nearly won the division, playing and hitting at one of the most incredible paces the ever during the second half.

    Their rotation is very similar to the Red Sox minus Schilling. Yes Beckett is better than Wang in the big game/playoffs but they are a wash during the regular season. Pettite & Dice are pretty much equals and yes Boston fans will cling to Dice's great start thus far but if I were a betting man I'd have to bet on Pettite to have a better season then Dice. I'll take Moose over Wake and the kids are a wash on both ends.

    Bullpen depth goes to Boston by a good measure but I'll take Chamberlain / Rivera over Okajima / Papelbon though not by much.

    Offense goes to NYY hands down. If they click like they did second half last year, watch out Boston and all in the AL.

    The AL East is very tough this year, I only think one team will come out of it. I think Boston has more pieces capable of making a mid-season move and I think Boston's depth of pitching is going to be a big difference maker. But it is by no means a foregone conclusion, the Yankees are really being underestimated by many.

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    You gotta love the comment regarding Mussina, "largely dissapointing tenure". The Yankee fans have no respect. Mussina has been a solid #2 - #3 pitcher during his tenure, as solid as any in the game. His 'tenure' has been anything but disappointing. Yes his postseason hasn't been all that terrific but they can at least get the stats correct, his postseason record in NY is 5-6 with 5 no decisions and one of those losses he pitched 7 innings giving up only 2 runs.

    Just like the Yankee fan booing Mariano Rivera, they show no class disrespecting one of the honorable Yankees in Mussina. Gotta love when they cheer a fake like Giambi though.

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    Yeah, Yankee fans have "no class"...

    Jeez, at least we don't lose our jobs and start collecting unemployment because of screwing up on a job due to our intelligence or lack there of. *Talking about that idiot sawx fan that buried the sawx jersey in the concrete of the Yankees new stadium*

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    You gotta love the comment regarding Mussina, "largely dissapointing tenure". The Yankee fans have no respect. Mussina has been a solid #2 - #3 pitcher during his tenure, as solid as any in the game. His 'tenure' has been anything but disappointing. Yes his postseason hasn't been all that terrific but they can at least get the stats correct, his postseason record in NY is 5-6 with 5 no decisions and one of those losses he pitched 7 innings giving up only 2 runs.

    Just like the Yankee fan booing Mariano Rivera, they show no class disrespecting one of the honorable Yankees in Mussina. Gotta love when they cheer a fake like Giambi though.
    Don't you know anything? Mussina came over after the 2000 season and the Yankees haven't won a World Series yet! He's worthless!

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    Curse of the Moose

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