Pitcher playing another position

[Redsauce]

Is there a way to move the current pitcher to another defensive position, say LF, have a relief pitcher come in for the LFer, pitch to a batter, then have the original pitcher move back from LF to pitcher and replace the 2nd pitcher with a defensive replacement? I can't seem to find a way to do this in BM.

[ohms_law]

That's called a "Double switch", and yes there is a way to do it in Mogul. It's been a while since I've done one (I play AL teams almost exclusively, and I usually turn on the DH before it historically happened), so I'll need to look up the exact specifics on how to do it...

[HoustonGM]

That one's a bit more complicated than simply a double switch. He's talking about what Bobby Cox did the other night - have his reliever, Chris Resop, move to left field, while another reliever, Royce Ring, comes in and throws to one batter, than Resop moves back from LF to pitcher. A double switch is just switching a pitcher and a defensive player at the same time and swapping their lineup positions.

[ohms_law]

That's why you do a double switch though. Moving the pitcher to the field is the actual double switch, but it's done so that he's still available as a pitcher after the reliever you're bringing in is finished.

[kenny1234]

A double switch is when you bring a position player in at the same time as a reliever to move the pitcher's spot in the batting order.

To do this in the game - first, click on a position players name and adjust the defensive lineup so that the pitcher is in a lineup position and the player to come out is the pitcher. Then bring in a reliever normally. After the reliever pitches to one (or more) batters, adjust the defensive lineup again to move the original pitcher back to pitching and then substitute out the reliever for a position player.

I just tried this and it seems to work. In fact you could have two pitchers switch back and forth all game if you wanted since there is no problem with pitchers staying warm. One way to always get the matchups you want. And neither pitcher should get very tired as they would only be pitching half the game. The only thing I don't know is how bad the pitchers are as outfielders in the game.

[JayC]

Moving the pitcher to the field is the actual double switch,

A double switch is when you bring a position player in at the same time as a reliever to move the pitcher's spot in the batting order.

Yeah, semantically I'd say that what makes a double switch a double switch is that it's essentially one move but involves replacing two players. If you just move the pitcher to another position and replace only that one player it's not a double switch... because then what would be the "double" part?

[ohms_law]

well yea... uh, that's what I meant. lol

[Redsauce]

Kenny, is that possible with the DH on? I'm trying it with the DH on and can't seem to get it to work.

[ohms_law]

...No, you can't do double switches in DH games.
Why would you want to, anyway?


...oh, I get it, to save a specific reliever? Actually, I wonder if you could do it in Mogul. You have to get the pitcher into the rotation first though (thereby loosing your DH, which is why double switches are typically an NL only thing). I don't know, I'll have to mess with it when I get home.

[kenny1234]

It won't work in a DH game because you won't be able to move the pitcher into the field. But the move isn't allowed in a DH-league without losing the DH so I guess that makes sense.

Once the game pitcher is switched from the mound to a defensive position this move shall terminate the DH role for the remainder of the game. Once a pinch-hitter bats for any player in the batting order and then enters the game to pitch, this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game. - From the rules on the MLB website regarding the DH.

[ohms_law]

Well that's what I was saying... it's never done in the AL because you loose an extra player. It could be done though, legally, if the manager is willing to loose the team's DH for the rest of the game.

I just got home not too long ago, and I'm about to fire up Mogul and mess with this, so I'll be right back.

[ohms_law]

Ah...

[HoustonGM]

You might be able to do it without using the actual double switch button. As I said, the strategy of putting a pitcher in a non-pitcher position in order to switch him back to pitcher isn't really the traditional "double switch."

[kenny1234]

Except that the MLB rules state that if the pitcher takes any other position in the field you lose the DH. So you can do it in the AL if you are willing to give up the DH.

In the game you can't do it because the pitcher doesn't show up on the defensive adjustment screen. I just checked and this actually brings up a bug. In the game you can't put the DH in as a defensive player. In reality you can but you lose the DH for the game - the pitcher now has to bat.

[ohms_law]

In the game you can't do it because the pitcher doesn't show up on the defensive adjustment screen.

Exactly.

I just checked and this actually brings up a bug. In the game you can't put the DH in as a defensive player. In reality you can but you lose the DH for the game - the pitcher now has to bat.

Actually, it's currently working as designed. Personally, I'm with you in that I think it should be possible to get rid of your DH, but currently the design intentionally prevents this. So... being able to loose your DH intentionally is actually a suggestion.