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    2nd leadoff hitter

    its a topic thats been discussed before, and i suppose we could finally find out how good of an option it is (batting the pitcher 8th)

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Yes, I have heard of it before.

    28-28 (vs. 50-56) isn't really enough of a sample to tell if this will work, but for all of LaRussa's abrasiveness he's an awesome manager. If he thinks this will help, then it might be very interesting to see if the Cards can make a fight of it in the NLC.
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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    It actually doesn't make any sense, the 8th batter will get something like 20 more abats than the 9th batter. It might take a total of 1 or 2 wins off for the whole season.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    The difference in at bats between the 8th and 9th spot is actually pretty negligible, and it's offset by getting the top of the order up with runners on base more often.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Batting the pitcher 8th is a good strategy, as SirKodiak's posts show.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by tangotiger View Post
    Batting the pitcher 8th is a good strategy, as SirKodiak's posts show.
    This is true if (& it is a big if) your pitchers' are good batters.In St Louis it is true as their team's BA is the best in the NL & because of the Pujol's situation.

    The D-Backs could use it when Mock is playing as could the Cubs with Zambrano but most teams would not necessarily have the added Win Share that have been predicted in batting the pitcher 8th.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by yankee hater View Post
    Shrug, I don't see why controversy.
    Mostly it's simply because it's different. Baseball has always been extremely conservative, and lineups are something that basically everyone notices. It doesnt' really matter what's happened in the AL either, since the DH is used in the AL.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by tangotiger View Post
    Batting the pitcher 8th is a good strategy, as SirKodiak's posts show.
    welcome back tango, you have a nice blog, it is always a good read.

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    Re: 2nd leadoff hitter

    Back when LaRussa was managing the Cardinals in the years of Mark "I'm not here to speak about the past" McGwire, he used a pitcher 8th, leadoff hitter 9th type of lineup, in the hopes that by the time McGwire came up, one of the first three (ninth through second) guys would be on base. If that made any sense

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