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    Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Shipments of human growth hormone arrived at players’ doorsteps by mail and by package couriers. They were purchased via the Internet, through antiaging centers and through dealers like Kirk Radomski, a former Mets clubhouse attendant who sold it more than any other illegal substance he supplied to his Major League Baseball clients.

    According to the report on doping in baseball released Thursday by the former Senator George J. Mitchell, human growth hormone has become the substance of choice for many players because there is no reliable test being used to detect it. Some players, like pitcher Andy Pettitte and the slugger Mo Vaughn, were accused of using it to help heal injuries. Others are believed to have taken it to extend their careers.

    But in the coming months, antidoping experts and officials said Friday, the use of human growth hormone among professional athletes could take a marked hit. A blood test to detect the drug may become commercially available as early as this spring, according to scientists who are informed about the progress of the test’s development.

    Scientists must first demonstrate that the science behind the blood test is foolproof, to avoid false positives and legal battles with athletes who say they are wrongly accused of cheating, said Olivier Rabin, the science director for the World Anti-Doping Agency. He and other antidoping scientists expect the test to be ready for the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

    But even if the test is deemed accurate and indisputable, which some scientists still doubt is possible, drug testers will have to overcome another hurdle: Sports leagues like Major League Baseball do not allow for blood testing of their players, and their unions oppose it. There is no urine test for the hormone.

    Although athletes in sports that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency’s code are already subject to blood testing, most of the analysis is still done with urine samples.

    “If you aren’t going to take blood from your athletes at that point, it would be like putting your head in the sand and ignoring the problem of doping in your sport,” Rabin said, referring to when a test becomes available. “The best scientists in the world, physiology and Mother Nature say that blood testing is the best way to detect human growth hormone. So yes, the time has come for these sports to change.”

    On Thursday, Commissioner Bud Selig described the Mitchell report as “a call to action” and said he would convene a summit to address testing for human growth hormone. But implementing a test in baseball and other sports may be a challenge.

    Earlier this year, the executive director of the National Football League players union, Gene Upshaw, said his players would not become “pin cushions” for drug testers wielding needles to draw blood. Other unions have also expressed resistance.

    Robert D. Manfred Jr., baseball’s executive vice president for labor relations, called the issue of blood testing in baseball purely “hypothetical” because of the lack of a commercially available growth-hormone test. But he said the league would consider blood testing if that test emerged. Union officials declined to comment on the issue Friday.

    “Our view is that it is very important for us to stay completely on top of what is available, whether we have the current right to blood test or not,” Manfred said. “We are very interested in being on the cutting edge.”

    The test that may be available in the spring uses antibodies to identify growth hormone not produced in the body, said Christiane Ayotte, whose laboratory in Montreal conducts the testing for baseball. The problem, Ayotte said, is that it detects growth hormone only within a few hours of its use.

    “We have to be there almost when they have the syringe in their skin,” she said.

    Even when an athlete tests positive, scientists must demonstrate that the test works if that athlete disputes the charge.

    “You can’t just say: ‘My test is good. It only misses by 1 percent,’” said Don Catlin, who leads the Anti-Doping Research Institute in California. “That’s why tests take a long time to develop. You need it airtight, but these things are complicated.”

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    If you read page 275 and 276 in the Mitchell report they say that this blood test is limited and its practical utility is doubful.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Reade View Post
    If you read page 275 and 276 in the Mitchell report they say that this blood test is limited and its practical utility is doubful.
    it is a step non the less maybe better tests will come of it...
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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    If it's a step to less invasive testing, great, but no players' association is going to agree to blood tests.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Blast View Post
    If it's a step to less invasive testing, great, but no players' association is going to agree to blood tests.
    Funny you should say that,because most other sports already employ blood tests & the baseball players at the Olympics*/Pan American games /World Cup are already tested using blood sampling....



    * although Baseball is no longer an "olympic" sport but is trying to be re-introuced for 2012 in London.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    As far as I know, the Olympics don't have a Player's Association or anything like it.

    And baseball's Player's Association is one of the most hardline supporters of privacy and the like of any major player's union.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Rightfully so... generally speaking.


    They'll agree to something. It's just a matter of everyone sitting down and pounding out an agreement, is all.
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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    They also know that if they don't do something Congress will and nobody will be happy then.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    French : I meant sports with a PA. You will never find a PA that will sign on for any sort of testing labeled as invasive, which would certainly include having a needle jabbed in your arm.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Blast View Post
    French : I meant sports with a PA. You will never find a PA that will sign on for any sort of testing labeled as invasive, which would certainly include having a needle jabbed in your arm.
    Cycling

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    I'll give you that one. However, not even baseball has been shamed in to a corner like pro cycling has been on an international basis. The entire sport basically had no choice but to do everything possible to clean up, because EVERYONE saw it as an utter disaster. And that's not the case with any North american pro league you can name (for proof of this, look at Barry Bonds supporters. You could show these zealots unequivocal proof tomorrow, and they'd blow it off as inconsequential).

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Blast View Post
    I'll give you that one. However, not even baseball has been shamed in to a corner like pro cycling has been on an international basis. The entire sport basically had no choice but to do everything possible to clean up, because EVERYONE saw it as an utter disaster. And that's not the case with any North american pro league you can name (for proof of this, look at Barry Bonds supporters. You could show these zealots unequivocal proof tomorrow, and they'd blow it off as inconsequential).
    ML Baseball is "pretty" close to the Cycling level of "dishonesty"* & is still an international sport.I am not saying I am pro or con "blood "testing but if the MLB really wants to "clean up" the game & provide real testing there is only 1 solution & that is blood testing WITH the added ability to keep samples for retro tests.



    * thus the interest of Congress

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    While I could see the Player's Association agreeing to blood testing, possibly, saving the samples for retroactive tests...I don't think they'll ever agree to that.

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    French : I don't think baseball is anywhere near to where cycling was just a year ago. There are still a LOT of baseball fans who are not bothered at all by any of the drug issues, and those that are bothered, are not put off enough to avoid purchasing tickets. Cycling had reached a point where almost everybody was no longer willing to tolerate it as a sport any longer, INCLUDING spending any money at all on the sport.

    As for the interest of Congress, that has a lot more to do with scoring cheap and easy political points without having to actually address a serious issue. ****, I happened to catch Tom Davis on Steven A Smith's show for a bit today, and they're having ANOTHER round of hearings, even though, in his own words, they don't intend to punish anyone, or really investigate anything from the past. Soooo...why bother, then? Oh, that's right, cheap votes without actually doing anything.

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    Re: Scientists Move Closer to Reliable H.G.H. Test

    Joe Sheehan said it best about Congress:

    Hey, here’s a surprise: Congress is looking for easy TV time on an issue with no downside on which they have no grounds to get involved. Who would imagine that Henry Waxman would take an opportunity to get himself on ESPN? It's a shocker, I tell you.

    I’ve written about the ridiculousness of Congressional involvement on this stuff so many times that I bore myself, so I’m just going to re-run the closing:

    If the argument is that the government should get involved in private behavior for the protection of the young, aren’t there better subsets of adults to begin that process with? Or put more bluntly, what is more damaging to more of America’s children: baseball players’ consumption of PEDs, or parents’ consumption of alcohol? Would you affect more lives by forcing baseball players to prove they’re not using steroids, or by forcing parents to prove they’re not drinking?

    Until that question is answered to my satisfaction, I’d like Congress to go do some real work and stay the **** out of something where they have no interest or expertise.

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