Am I hallucinating?

[Coach Owens]

The Mariners really offered a contract to Horacio Ramirez?!?! Really?!?!?!? OH MY GOD!!!!!! AGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! *Rips out HGMs heart *

[HoustonGM]

Bavasi refuses to admit that the Soriano-Ramirez trade was bad, that's all. Maybe he's hoping Ramirez transforms into the second-coming of Greg Maddux, and makes the trade look amazing.

[Coach Owens]

I hate Bavasi.

[asianinvasion]

He did alright at home so if there is a clause in his contract that says that he can only pitch at home, then I'm O.K. with it.

[HoustonGM]

He did? I mean, he did better at home than on the road (Safeco Field is a pitcher's park), but i wouldn't call a 5.59 ERA, an 18:18 K:BB ratio, and 63 hits in 48 innings "alright."

[asianinvasion]

He was 6-3 at home. As longs as he wins, it doesnt matter how many runs he gives up.

[HoustonGM]

He was 6-3 at home. As longs as he wins, it doesnt matter how many runs he gives up.

Wins are directly related to the runs his team scores for him. He got unusually high run support. That can't be expected to continue.

It was not due to his pitching that he went 6-3.

[SirKodiak]

2.63 ERA in WINS at Home
20.25 ERA in LOSSES at Home

TEAM IP  ER
TEX  6   1   WIN
KCR  6.1 1   WIN
NYY  6.1 1   WIN
SDP  6   3   WIN
BAL  7   2   WIN
OAK  6   3   WIN
BOS  4   4   ND
MIN  5   6   LOSS
OAK  1.2 5   LOSS
TBD  0   4   LOSS

Maybe run support wasn't the issue at home?

[HoustonGM]

Thanks for the further research, SirKodiak. Interesting.

Either way, he's a bad pitcher, and he shouldn't be counted on.

[boomboom]

If we give up on him, it will be the worst trade in the history of the Seattle Mariners. At least Bavaci is giving Ramierez a shot at doing something good.

[FRENCHREDSOX]

If we give up on him, it will be the worst trade in the history of the Seattle Mariners. At least Bavaci is giving Ramierez a shot at doing something good.

To be honest,Ramirez is not,apart from last season,that bad a pitcher - career numbers wise.He is definately not an ace nor a 2 but have'nt the Mariners already got those slots filled ? In this year's FA market when a Lohse is asking (& more than likely will recieve) a 10 million multi year deal,then Ramirez at less than 4 million & being left handed too to boot,looks a viable risk/return.One has to remember he changed leagues,ideologies & is still young at 28 to perform.1 bad year,but 4 relative effective ones in Atlanta...

[HoustonGM]

If we give up on him, it will be the worst trade in the history of the Seattle Mariners. At least Bavaci is giving Ramierez a shot at doing something good.

Sometimes, it's better to admit mistakes than try to make them work.

To be honest,Ramirez is not,apart from last season,that bad a pitcher - career numbers wise.He is definately not an ace nor a 2 but have'nt the Mariners already got those slots filled ? In this year's FA market when a Lohse is asking (& more than likely will recieve) a 10 million multi year deal,then Ramirez at less than 4 million & being left handed too to boot,looks a viable risk/return.One has to remember he changed leagues,ideologies & is still young at 28 to perform.1 bad year,but 4 relative effective ones in Atlanta...

He has a career K:BB ratio of 288 to 242. That's horrendous. He gives up a lot of hits and home runs.

He had average ERA's in a weak league. Sure, he's better than nothing, but, he's not good, and he's far worse than Lohse. Ramirez has poor strikeout rates, poor walk rates, poor hit rates, and poor home run rates. Sure, he's had an average ERA, but that doesn't tlel the whole story. His stats (which agree with scouts) don't bode well for future performance. Lohse has good control, and a league-average strikeout rate, at least.