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Thread: 10.31 Inflation-adjusted FA asking prices are undervalued [Fixed 10.33]

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    10.31 Inflation-adjusted FA asking prices are undervalued [Fixed 10.33]

    In a game started in 10.31, I'm seeing something bizarre that I do not remember ever seeing in this forum. Using default settings, all FA of note are signed on the first day of the free agency period. Screenshots #1 (before) and #2 (after) are sorted by "Seeking."

    Unlike my other new bug report, this effect still exists after the second year. Reducing "League Revenue" from the default +20% to +0% does not change this. Only by changing "Salary Demands" to +100% (while leaving "League Revenue" at +20%) could I keep everyone from being signed on Day 1 (screenshot #3).

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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Anyone have any ideas? Am I the only one who has seen this?

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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Doesn't happen much in 2007 or later. This is mostly an issue with historic games.
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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    Doesn't happen much in 2007 or later. This is mostly an issue with historic games.
    Aha! Looks like this thread should be renamed. This isn't a hyperactive-AI bug: it's an inflation-based game-balancing bug.

    I opened the saved file, then changed Inflation Index to the default 2007 value (25600). Next I reset prices and recalculated salaries. The screenshots are before and after Day 1 of Free Agency.

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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Yea, good call testing that out. The inflation system definitely needs work.

    ...what should I rename the thread as?
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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    ...what should I rename the thread as?
    How about "AI Misinterpreting Historic Inflation-Adjusted FA Asking Prices As Undervalued"?

    Does this affect any areas of the game other than FA salaries? If so, I haven't noticed.

    We have seen what the AI does w/ players from 23 yrs ago. Does the AI sign fewer FA than expected w/ inflation on in, say, 2030? If so, then it doesn't just affect historic leagues.

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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    I'm not really sure. It would be a good ting to check out, though.
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    Re: 10.31 Inflation-adjusted FA asking prices are undervalued

    I just set it Once and Keep it there.

    That should fix the Problem

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    Re: 10.31 All Major-League FA Signed on First Day

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnymo View Post
    We have seen what the AI does w/ players from 23 yrs ago. Does the AI sign fewer FA than expected w/ inflation on in, say, 2030? If so, then it doesn't just affect historic leagues.[/FONT]
    Yes, I just quoted myself. How lame.

    I see that this is fixed in 10.33, but I ran the future test on 10.31, and I wanted to report the results. (I know that a lot of people are still playing w/ v10.31.) After 34 years, there does not seem to be much of a difference in the FA market if inflation is turned on or off.

    There were 81 FA (43 hitters/38 pitchers) asking for more than the minimum salary. The number of available FA after 1, 8, and 31 days of the FA period:
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    Inflation index=99477 (ML min salary=$1.45M)
    Day   Hitters   Pitchers
     1      43          36
     8      42          35
    31      22          31
    
    Inflation index=25600 (ML min salary=$380K)
    Day   Hitters   Pitchers   Change
     1      43          32      - 5%
     8      39          28      -13%
    31      24          24      - 9%
    When I adjust the league down from 99477 to 25600 and change all of the prices and salaries, one thing doesn't change: cash on hand (more than half of the league has cash or debt in excess of $100M). This is just one test; it's possible that w/ add'l testing, we would see that the slightly increased number of FA signings is actually due to all of the extra cash.

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