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    Re: Wally Joyner

    http://www.steroid.com/side.php

    There's a list of the negative effects of steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    http://www.steroid.com/side.php

    There's a list of the negative effects of steroids.
    Did you read it???

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    "The literature suggests that these drugs are safe when used in a clinical setting; my numerous interviews and experience with athletes suggests that this also holds true outside the clinical setting. "

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    Yes, I know. There's studies that lean both ways, It's important to note though that nearly anything in excessive amounts has harmful effects on the body, especially things like drugs.

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    Oh, aboslutely agreed. In excessive amounts water can even kill you, and water is essential to life. The point is the propaganda put out by government/media and its just taken as gospel. I have lived my entire life by one credo "Question Authority"

    The fact is there are no studies proving long term steroid use is detrimental to the health of an adult male. As I stated before, they have found these long term negative effects in women and children, but not in the adult male. But you will still see a commericial from the ad council that claims all sorts of ill effects if you use steroids. It makes me wonder why they don't fall under the laws conerning "false advertising." In fact, in the HBO documentary I mentioned, they asked that very question and the answer had something to do with while they can't provide evidence of long term ill effects, no one else can provide evidence that their claims are false either, or some such dribble.

    EDIT: I should have stated there are no "credible" studies showing long term steroid use is detrimental to the health of an adult male. If the tobacco industry could pay a scientist to come up with a study that says cigarettes aren't a health hazard, then those in the anti-drug propaganda war can find a scientist or two somewhere that could make whatever claims they wish too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wassit3 View Post
    question for you, why is it that you say in one post cheaters are not credible and can't be trusted to tell the truth about how much steroids they did or for how long but here you are seemlingly taking the word of a cheater for exactly those two things, please explain the about face.
    I don't recall that, but no I wouldn't trust McGwire, Bonds, Palmeiro etc to state the truth on how much or when they did it.
    Canseco has nothing to lose, (if that's who you're talking about) and no one's sued him for slander or libel yet. That makes me think that he's dead on with his book.
    As far as Joyner goes, why wouldn't I listen to what he has to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    No, not necessarily. There is more to hitting a ball hard than simple strength. I bet Gary Sheffield will hit a baseball harder than Warren Sapp, but I bet Warren Sapp could snap Sheff in half.


    This is even harder to believe. Look at some of the fastest pitchers coming up nowadays...Tim Lincecum...Justin Verlander...Lincecum's like 5'9" and weighs like 160 pounds, but can throw the ball a **** of a lot harder than David Wells, who's probably stronger than him. There's more to throwing hard than strength.


    This list does not mention Donnelly, nor does his Wikipedia page, nor does a ton of google searchs by me. I'm not accusing you of lying, but can you show me where he was caught using 'roids? I couldn't find ANYTHING.


    That's the most I could find regarding any cheating by him.


    Canseco claims to have used steroids his entire career. Steroids do screw the human body up after prolonged use, which is why his career crashed.
    Nice try. Sapp vs. Sheff.

    There's also throwing accurately to be taken into account as well as age.

    I can't find it either. I've been under the impression that he did get caught for a dirty test. I don't know where I got the impression either.

    Canseco's career crashed because he was blackballed more than any other reason. He had back injuries too (like Big Mac oddly enough ), but he was recovering from them quickly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhoodnik View Post
    Nice try. Sapp vs. Sheff.

    There's also throwing accurately to be taken into account as well as age.
    Just illustrating the point that there's more to hitting home runs and throwing hard than strength.

    Canseco's career crashed because he was blackballed more than any other reason. He had back injuries too (like Big Mac oddly enough ), but he was recovering from them quickly enough.
    It's quite possible the effects of steroids caused some of his injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    It's quite possible the effects of steroids caused some of his injuries.
    Probably did. The working out without pain is one of the drawbacks of the drugs. You don't feel what's going on inside your body and can work right through an injury. That's how Bonds' knee was supposedly hurt. Just turned into a workout animal, wouldn't cycle off the stuff, couldn't feel the damage, and just kept at it until he wrecked himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhoodnik View Post
    I don't recall that, but no I wouldn't trust McGwire, Bonds, Palmeiro etc to state the truth on how much or when they did it.
    Canseco has nothing to lose, (if that's who you're talking about) and no one's sued him for slander or libel yet. That makes me think that he's dead on with his book.
    As far as Joyner goes, why wouldn't I listen to what he has to say?
    i believe HGM quoted you in post number 50 as saying that....
    Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wassit3 View Post
    i believe HGM quoted you in post number 50 as saying that....
    That was DontTreadOnMe

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    That was DontTreadOnMe
    ah then I apologize...
    Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wassit3 View Post
    ah then I apologize...
    No probs.

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