10.28 Attendance Too High? [Fixed 11.04]

[jonnymo]

I jumped from 10.24 to 10.25C (XP SP2), at the 1999 ASB. Attendance figures jumped way up, and projected revenue increased for every team. Looking closer, I realized that every team was suddenly selling out. The numbers (there are less than 15 home teams, because some teams had an extra off day after the break, which is an entirely different issue):

TEAM  7/14/99   LHG*   INCREASE
ANA   45,050   45,050     0%
BAL   48,262   48,262     0%
BOS   34,218   34,218     0%
CO    50,381   47,506     6%
DET   52,806   45,989    15%
KC    40,625   17,239   136%
LAD   56,000   56,000     0%
MIL   53,192    9,602   454%
MN    55,883   23,174   141%
MON   43,789   29,344    49%
PHI   62,382   30,677   103%
SEA   57,748   40,631    42%

*LHG=Last Home Game

This isn't a one-day boost, as w/ Opening Day. I simmed another day, and every team appears to be selling out every game for the rest of the season. Check out the suddenly big-market Brewers (below). Playing on mogul difficulty, I have league revenue set at +20%, happiness effect on performance at +10%, and inflation at 25600; all other values are default. I did not change any values when I installed the new patch.

I thought that perhaps this bug is related to continuing from an earlier version (this game was carried over from 9.XX). I started a new game w/ default values on mogul difficulty in game year 1925. League attendance is averaging 87% (spreadsheet is attached).

       Home
Team   Dates  Capacity	Avg	Total Cap	Total Att	% Cap
BosN	7     40,000 	23,476 	 280,000 	 164,332 	 59%
BosA	7     33,871 	31,965 	 237,097 	 223,755 	 94%
Bro	3     26,000 	26,000 	 78,000 	 78,000 	100%
ChiN	7     20,000 	20,000 	 140,000 	 140,000 	100%
ChiA	3     28,800 	28,800 	 86,400 	 86,400 	100%
Cin	0     25,000 	-   	 -   	             -   	  0%
Cle	7     21,000 	21,000 	 147,000 	 147,000 	100%
Det	0     29,000 	-   	 -   	             -   	  0%
NyN	4     43,000 	43,000 	 172,000 	 172,000 	100%
NyA	4     58,000 	47,788 	 232,000 	 191,152 	 82%
PhiA	0     33,500 	-   	 -   	             -   	  0%
PhiN	0     18,000 	-   	 -   	             -   	  0%
Pit	4     41,000 	32,728 	 164,000 	 130,912 	 80%
StlA	4     33,699 	25,651 	 134,796 	 102,604 	 76%
StlN	3     33,699 	28,804 	 101,097 	 86,412 	 85%
Was	3     32,000 	32,000 	 96,000 	 96,000 	100%
				 1,868,390 	 1,618,567 	 87%

While I do not have 1925 data from earlier patch w/ which to compare this, the numbers do seem a little high.

[Revson]

I have the same problem on a game I carried over from BBM07. I think it was the 10.24 patch. Every team started selling out every game, and just about every player on every team had the "thumbs up" on their player card.

[jonnymo]

I have the same problem on a game I carried over from BBM07. I think it was the 10.24 patch. Every team started selling out every game, and just about every player on every team had the "thumbs up" on their player card.

I reinstalled 10.24, and the attendance is working correctly, so this bug appears to have been added at some point in the 10.25 series. Since I skipped from 10.24 to 10.25C, I cannot say exactly when. However, it is still present in 10.25E.

In retrospect, I cannot tell if this bug affects games started in v. 10.XX. However, it does affect games imported from 9.XX, and may be related to the Cannot Import bug.

As the below screenshots show, it is still possible to set ticket prices such that teams do not always sell out. However, they are out-of-whack w/ the previous reality, and the AI teams do not adjust for the new reality. In game year 1999, w/ an inflation index of 25600, different ticket prices led to the following results:

Price   Attendance
$27.00   50,381 (sellout)
...
$80.00   50,381
$81.00   50,381
$81.50   39,799
$82.00   25,980
$82.50   12,161
$83.00    4,469
$83.50    1,705
$84.00        0
$85.00        0

$3 between a sellout and no attendance is too small a range, especially when we consider that $3 is only 3.6% of $82.50 (equivalent to $1.20 between a sellout and no attendance under the previous league average ticket price of $32.90).

[Clay Dreslough]

I can't reproduce this in games started with Version 10.00 or later, so I'm going to have to put this on the back burner until we fix the bug loading 9.XX saved games.

[jonnymo]

I can't reproduce this in games started with Version 10.00 or later...

Neither could I. Just glad to know that it's on one of the burners.

[jonnymo]

...I'm going to have to put this on the back burner until we fix the bug loading 9.XX saved games.

Fixed! However, the attendance bug still exists in 10.25G.

[jonnymo]

At the risk of being confused w/ our favorite Australian and the Montreal Nationals issue, this bug still exists in 10.27 for games started prior to v.10.

Let me know if anyone wants to see my .mog. Likewise, let me know if you want me to just shut up already.

[ohms_law]

At the risk of being confused w/ our favorite Australian and the Montreal Nationals issue, this bug still exists in 10.27 for games started prior to v.10.

Let me know if anyone wants to see my .mog. Likewise, let me know if you want me to just shut up already.

Rotfl!

Is:

being confused w/ our favorite Australian

even possible, really?

[jonnymo]

Still in 10.28.

/ducks to avoid objects flying at head