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Would it be possible to add random suspensions to the game? I think that would be a cool thing to add...especially now with the proposed 50 game, 100 game, lifetime ban steroid suspensions from Selig.....I think steroid/drug, brawl, various offense suspensions would be a great addition.
This is one aspect of the game in which OOTP trumps Mogul. Not only can injuries occur in-game, but there are things like "Joe Blo out for a week, scratched cornea caused during bar brawl," etc. Also, in OOTP, it's possible to edit the "injuries," so you can make them unusual things like suspensions, the plague, dropsy, whooping cough, automobile accident, etc.
HAHAHAHA "the plague." Oh man, I might buy OOTP just for that feature. LOL. Barry Bonds is out for 3 months with "Avoiding the Media."
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Posted by mooseman74: Would it be possible to add random suspensions to the game? I think that would be a cool thing to add...especially now with the proposed 50 game, 100 game, lifetime ban steroid suspensions from Selig.....I think steroid/drug, brawl, various offense suspensions would be a great addition.
After closer thought, how about not?
you responding to my post Rand?
Yep. Let me edit that to make it more clear what I'm replying to. :)
Yeah I just can't wait for Mogul to implement this ... I'd build a small team up to the top, we'd be in the World Series, and suddenly my best player would get a lifetime ban for betting on baseball and I'd have to go on a text-sim induced killing spree.
Bottom line: Mogul has had trouble getting injury rates to be realistic, can you imagine if half your players ended up suspended? It'd be anarchy, baby!
True....but they could add a setting option like with league revenue, salary and injury frequency. You could even add a player/pitcher rating in their scouting report as to their morals/ethics/whatever...lower rating could be someone to avoid..etc........This game is always trying to become as close to real-life as possible.....just an idea.Quote:
Originally posted by Chipper_Jones
Yeah I just can't wait for Mogul to implement this ... I'd build a small team up to the top, we'd be in the World Series, and suddenly my best player would get a lifetime ban for betting on baseball and I'd have to go on a text-sim induced killing spree.
Bottom line: Mogul has had trouble getting injury rates to be realistic, can you imagine if half your players ended up suspended? It'd be anarchy, baby!
All the programmers would have to do to keep this sort of thing in check is make it very, very, very rare. Or, as OOTP does, make it rare and then, in addition, make each injury's frequency be open to editing by the player.
If I remember correctly, the OOTP files read something like this:
Broken arm: 1, 33, 54, 88
...where 1 means something like "can happen on the field, off the field," 33 means something like "relatively infrequent," 54 represents something like the least amount of time a player with this injury is on the bench, whereas 88 is the most, blah blah. You get the picture. It's in Notepad format, so if you want the injury to be "broken duodenem" or whatnot, you just rename it right there.
I don't think there needs to be too much more in the way of injuries beyond improving the current engine but the suspensions would be cool.
The suspension thing could be tied to the personality traits of the players, such as players with "violent" or "aggressive" attitudes would be more likely to get into brawls or what not. Suspensions in MLB aren't usually that long a couple games, maybe as much 10 days. Certainly shorter than alot of the injuries in BBM right now.
My thinking exactly, Mister Jones. I can also see things like Babe Ruth getting suspended for steroid abuse in 1929, or Cy Young in 1903.Quote:
Posted by Chipper_Jones: Bottom line: Mogul has had trouble getting injury rates to be realistic, can you imagine if half your players ended up suspended?
BBM is very simplistic in most respects, and it doesn't show any signs of getting deeper or more accurate.
When the developers just don't have the time or energy to do even fundamental things properly, asking for unnecessary fluff items really isn't a good idea. That wouldn't that be kewl if they... idea needs to be balanced by asking ourselves what could this do to the game if it isn't done right?, because odds are high that it won't be.
Hmmm......adding deeper minor league system....yearly draft.....historical rookies......arbitration.....sound's like it's getting deeper and more accurate every year. And I wouldn't call suspensions 'fluff'....they're as relevant as injuries even if they happen less often.Quote:
Originally posted by Rand
BBM is very simplistic in most respects, and it doesn't show any signs of getting deeper or more accurate.
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Minor league system? You mean those seven hitters and pitchers total that I have in AAA, six in AA, seven in A, and eight in R? The ones who perform based on random numbers verses nobody at all and often have better seasons at pro or AAA than in A or the rookie league, where they should dominate?
You're joking, right?
You obviously mostly play current seasons or you'd have a more clear idea of all that's only half implemented in this game, in addition to strategy, as gets discussed in this thread.
So, for playing "historic" seasons you have:
Free agency decades before the Curt Flood decision
Minimum salary for minor leaguers in 1930 is twenty six thousand dollars. In 1930 Babe Ruth got paid one hundred thousand, and that was an astounding amount of money. Minor leagues? They were lucky to get lunch money.
Bench players that same year making from 316k to several million.
Ruth, of the record setting one hundred thousand dollar contract, makes over seventeen million. In 1930. He could have bought several small countries. Maybe even Germany.
Players making contract demands in a time when teams owned their @$$es outright. They played for what the team wanted to pay them or they were free to retire... if their contract was up.
Teams with five man pitching rotations plus and alt in a period when the fourth starter was the alt. And long man. Maybe the closer too, if one of the other starters didn't come in to close ;)
BBM is fine for what it is, but don't try to attribute much sense to it because it's not in there. Not in past seasons, not in present seasons, and god help future seasons if you don't have the rookie.ini file set low to put a muzzle on the players BBM generates.
So we need random suspensions why? Because the rest of the game is so real it would be the icing on the cake?
I'm not joking....yeah the financial engine is messed up for historic leagues...so be it. That's the kind of thing that's probably been sacrificed so far for the speed of the game and being able to sim a season in decent time. Smaller things get added sooner because they probably don't cause the game to lag....whatever. And yeah...suspensions would totally be the icing on the cake! :rolleyes:
I really don't like being in the position of slamming SM here, but there's no way that having accurate historical financial information, which only needs to be loaded once and accessed on a case by case basis upon demand, is going to slow down the sim speeds. This is something that they just never bothered to get to, even though playing historical seasons has been a touted feature of BBM since at least 2k0.
But they found time to do a half baked job on player moods and creating a fake multi-level farm system, a couple of other things that fans kept asking for.
That's what has my nose out of joint. People come to the boards with ideas that may not be bad, but certainly aren't required for a good and accurate playing experience, other people say yeah, that would be so kewl, and next thing we know player moods get implemented while trivial things like more team strategies or really applying the ones we already have just don't happen.
Adding historical rookies was a big deal for this game, and it improves game play a lot, but we now have historical rookies who come into the game making ridiculous amounts of money, developing at random in a fake minor league system, and eventually demanding multi-million dollar contracts or they'll go to free agency... in 1922.
And for the record, injuries, moods, and the proposed suspension idea all slow down sim speed because the game has to keep rolling for them.
Moods add a second level of calculations to performance simulations, one that we really don't need. Every injury and any suspension also makes BBM pick a replacement for every game played by every team missing a starter. When I did a sim with no backup catcher I had no less than four different players get at least one start at that position, so it's obvious the AI doesn't "remember" who it picked last time.
I have to agree with Rand here, BBM has always done a terrible job of giving an in depth close up view of the game. It does do an adequate job of giving you something you can run through quickly. I took a 5 year break before diving into 2k6... and frankly the game has *barely* evolved, and where it has it feels terribly unfinished and/or clunky.
Player moods is probably the easiest example of an unnecessary feature in what should be a straight on statistical sim. Since everyone's ratings are based upon pure statistical results it is completely redundant to apply "moods" on top of those statistics as a modifyer. Eric Gagne gets 45 saves a year because he has the right "attitude"? Fine, the game already predicts his 45 saves based on his statistics... what additional merit is there to adding his "morale" or "mood" into the equation?
The minor league system is a clear example of a necessary feature gone horribly wrong. Most games have a great deal of difficulty getting this right, but BBM is atrocious. I can't understand how you decide to NOT have full teams, and just randomly generate stats without any real simulation, and STILL manage to produce by far the most illogical minor league results I have ever seen. It couldn't have been more simple (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthr...threadid=73235), but instead we have a needlessly complicated "system" for something that is essentially just a receptical to hold players until they are ripe for a major league team. The stats generated are and should be mere window dressing.
The historical rookies and players are an example of an idea done half-right. The first couple of seasons the game generally feels about right, but as soon as career peaks, and incoming rookies takeover the game falls apart, let alone once the contracts start to mount up, and that's with Rookies.ini tinkering, revenues jacked up +20%, and salary demands at -30%. Lets not forget the random fictional guy's who take the starch away from the historical players whom we WANT to see.
I like the concept of BBM. I like a game I can jump into and out of quickly without suspending my life, I just wished that the results of what is already there were more statisfying. Suspensions are not a bad thing, but man with all the problems already int he game with features already implemented, the LAST thing this game needs is a new bell or whistle.