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Too bad he's not going to be remembered for all the good things he did in his career. Rest in peace Jo Pa.
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Too bad he's not going to be remembered for all the good things he did in his career. Rest in peace Jo Pa.
Not surprising he died so soon after being fired. It seems to happen to all the coaches who coach forever.
Yeah I figured he'd be dead within a few months, just like Bear was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
That was the first thing that was brought up at work. What did Bear last, a month?Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
I know free will depart shortly after he retires from Walmart.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
likes this. Paterno is no longer "Jo Pa" to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Very sad though....to hear so many sports commentators trying to speak of this his death when the ugly 2000lb elephant is all people think of when his name comes up. All that was done in the name of "protecting the brand and legacy" and ironically its what was done to "protect" it that has destroyed it.
I think Paterno deserves the blame that he has coming...no more and no less. I fear that his death will lead some to try and find sympathy and give him a pass in the name of "not trampling on an old mans grave". Not all will, but surely there will be those that do. His death should not change anything in regards to the investigation and whatever role he played in all that took place.
What it's going to change is that the prosecution will no longer have is testimony to colloborate McQueary's testimony.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
They'll have the transcripts of his grand jury testimony, but that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dps
The prosecution would never be able to admit anything Paterno said to corroborate McQueary's testimony, as that's hearsay.Quote:
Originally Posted by dps
Paterno's testimony would really only be relevant to the perjury trials of Curley and Schultz.
Actually, Paterno could have been a witness by the defense in order to contradict McQueary's testimony. His statements in various publications might still be admissible, but they would have a lot less impact.
I always read 'hearsay' as 'heresy'Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
For most of my life, I thought they were the same word. I thought the law called it heresy because it was false speaking, like it is in religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Why is everyone so mad at Joe Pa for reporting a rumor to his supervisors?
:rolleyes:
And here we go.
When I hear or see felonies being committed, I just skip calling the police and call my boss like any gayberg would.
as head of the program, Paterno was not only in a position where he had to report to his superiors, but also in a position where he needed to follow up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayeburgh
ALL felonies? Or just child rape?Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
I'm not answering that because you'll save my answer in your sig.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/excuseme.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
rage i'm impressed, this was a classic response.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
What felonies did Paterno witness? None.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
What felonies did Paterno hear about? One that was told to him by a timid ginger that let it happen. Then went home shortly after and told his dad about what he had seen.
Hearsay and rumor doesn't equal fact. Gingers can't be trusted to give accurate information.
It's awful that your entire argument is based of the wrong idea that gingers can't be trusted
Trolololol amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by President
Personally, I think that Joe is vilified to an absurd degree, as if he witnessed the act himself and did nothing about it. Did he do what he morally should have? No, he didn't. He did report the allegations (and remember, this was all just an allegation about a man he haddock known for years) to his superiors, which again, was a mistake, but not one that should earn him the title of a rape enabler.
Unless that mistake was one that enabled rape.
If Joe Paterno isn't a beloved figure with 400+ football wins and a legendary background, this isn't even being debated. Todd Graham wouldn't get the enormous benefit of the doubt that's being afforded to Paterno.
Personally, I wouldn't take this to the cops either. If that ***** mcqueary came to me and said:
"I walked in the shower room and I felt weird about Sandusky in there with a little boy. I went home and talked to my dad about it and he said talk to you."
I'd do the same as Peterno. Go to my superiors. The cops, if told that story by a 3rd party would have said "Kthxbai!". Maybe they do a little poke and prod. Maybe something comes out, maybe not too.
Now, if that ***** mcqueary came to me and said:
"I saw Sandusky ****ing a little boy up the ass. Being I'm younger, stronger than Sandusky and an ex-college football player I could have stopped it but I did not. I went home and told my dad. Now Im telling you."
I'd stab mcqueary in the neck with a pencil and break it off then piss on his corpse. Then I'd complete a series of heroic actions that wins the day and saves everyone. Then burn the gingers body so that it doesn't spawn more of the evil creatures.
I'm not entirely sure whether or not you're being serious, but we have Joe Paterno's grand jury testimony, you know, and he claimed that McQuery told him that he saw Sandusky "fondling a young boy" in the showers. It wasn't some vague statement like you alluded to.
Jayeburg, if Paterno did the right thing by calling his superiors, how can you criticize McQueary when he did the same? You're making all the same speculative claims against McQueary that you are decrying people for making against Paterno.
If focusing the entirety of blame for the situation on McQueary makes you feel any better, go for it, but few outside of the state of Pennsylvania are buying it.
Yeah, Paterno was clearly in the wrong (if not legally, then morally) by not calling police about what he was told, but he DID tell his boss. I don't see how that makes him an enabler. He would be if knew about it and told no one.
1. Paterno was in a position of significant authority. He's responsible for following up on McQuery's complaint. He was running the program for crying out loud. Yes, his first responsibility was to report it to his superiors but morally, and i'd argue legally, he has a responsibility to follow-up on it and see what was being done.Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
2. How was he an enabler? He had knowledge that an employee saw sandusky fondling a young boy...and yet he completely ignored any follow-up while sandusky had continued access to children for years. And even if he didn't run to the police immediately after finding out that his superiors didn't act, he had a responsibility to at least confront Sandusky on it. After all, Paterno had responsiblity for the young men on the football program which Sandusky had access to.
3. The worst part to me is that it's obvious at some point Paterno and/or Penn St. believe the accusations were likely true as they revoked Sandusky's access to the football program and facilities (they likely knew much earlier which resulted in his "retiring"). How in the world can they do that and not go a step further and notify authorities knowing full well that Sandusky frequently had young boys in his care from his organization?
The whole thing is just abhorrent, and those who want to completely exonerate Paterno of wrongdoing like Jayeburgh are just a level below that at disgusting.
Sounds like someone wants to blame everyone but JoePa. Or, as we sometimes call it these days, a Penn state fan.