The return for Manning will be very little, because of his age and health issues. Keep em both, let Luck ride the pine and learn, and take over a la Rodgers.
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The return for Manning will be very little, because of his age and health issues. Keep em both, let Luck ride the pine and learn, and take over a la Rodgers.
Why.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
A team is not going to spend that kinda a money on 2 QB's. 28 million plus whatever deal Luck gets as the #1 overall pick.(Not sure what Newton got last year) Maybe 40 million total. Not happening. Maybe u can get Manning to restructure but that's a big if. And if I'm Luck I don't go to Indy unless I can start right away. What is to stop him from pulling an Elway or Eli move. I don't see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
no way!! if he's given a clean bill of health from the doctors at worst you're talking #2 picks + and more likely a late #1 from a contending team in need of a QB. Age aside, Manning will bring a good return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
We assume Peyton would restructure but it would have to be deferred money paid well into the future after Peyton moves on elsewhere...and thats not necessarily desirable for the colts. Also, why would Peyton want to restructure to play on a bad team and train a kid who many feel could start right away when he could go to a contender and play at a high level for a championship. All rational signs point to them parting ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
also....how's peyton's contract structured? when does this 28 mil kick in? What i'm getting at is that the colts may have to just release him prior to the contract taking effect. teams may realize the colts are on the hook for that 28 mil if they don't trade him by a certain time and not make an offer thinking he'll be released outright and free to negotiate under more desireable terms? I dunno the specifics of his remaining deal...but it could be an obstacle that makes Peyton a bit harder to trade that i hadn't thought of earlier.
I voted keep both, but really I think it boils down to what someone is willing to offer you for Manning. If you get a good enough offer, you can't turn it down given his age and the uncertainty about his health.
If your the Colts you've gotta trade Manning. Luck is your quarterback of the future, not Peyton and somebody will be willing to pay over-the-top for one of the best quarterbacks ever, and you can use those pieces to build around Luck.
You have a better chance to keep the winning atmosphere around Andrew Luck by not rushing him. I understand everyone thinks he's a Matt Ryan type guy and I do too. But the risk is too great if Andrew Luck is NOT Matt Ryan and fails because he was rushed.
What's the pain if you have Manning? You over pay a guy to start for a year or two while Luck learns from a hall of famer? Oh no, how horrible.
The Colts, outside of Manning, aren't that great.
Take Luck, trade Peyton for some help in other areas. Work Luck in as appropiate
I believe if he is on the roster mar 1 he is due the money. If he agrees the date could be moved back though. It is very interesting. It gives him alot of leverage because before he is traded a new contract will have to be worked out with the new team. I don't see anyone taking on the contract as its currently structured. So he will have a lot say as to where he goes. That does kinda limit the return for indy since other teams know they have no choice but to release him or trade him to a team of his choice. It is kinda similar to when the Packers had to trade Favre. They still ended up getting I think a 2nd rounder for him which wasn't bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Here is a good article that clarifies alot of the contract stuff
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I believe there's a strong argument that it's in the best interest of the Colts and Manning to restructure his contract before March 8. Then he would remain a Colt through at least the 2012 season and pair with Luck to form potentially the NFL's best quarterback tandem (and this season again proved how important a strong backup quarterback is... see Indy, Chicago and Kansas City and their lost seasons).
A restructuring can't happen unless the Colts' doctors first deem Manning NFL-ready by early March. If they don't, the Colts will terminate the contract before the bonus is due and release Manning. That would result in a $16 million salary cap hit for Indy in 2012 due to acceleration of the final four years on Manning's $20 million signing bonus (part of the five-year, $90 million extension signed last July). Then Manning would retire or try to catch on with another NFL team if he can pass its physical.
If, as expected, Manning is cleared medically by the Colts, things get a lot more complicated. The bull's-eye will then be on the $28 million bonus. It is very unlikely the Colts would ever pay that bonus. If they do and Peyton can't fulfill the five-year deal, they'll have more signing bonus accelerating into their salary cap if he is released or traded. For example, if the Colts pay the $28 million and Peyton gets hurt again and is forced to retire after the 2012 season or if the Colts wanted to trade him, they would have dead money of $33 million hit their cap ($12 million from his original signing bonus plus $21 million from the option bonus). That just won't fly for the Colts.
Manning can't be traded before the March 8 bonus date since trading does not begin until the start of the 2012 League Year, on March 13. Releasing him doesn't free up a bunch of money for the Colts to sign other free agents because of the $16 million cap hit on his signing bonus.
So that brings us to Irsay and his new GM most likely trying to restructure the contract by the March 8 deadline with the primary goal of reconfiguring the $28 million option bonus and turning it into future base salary that is not guaranteed (with perhaps some incentives for high playing time and championships).
Then things get interesting as Manning and agent Tom Condon push back in this high stakes negotiation.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1iVApfN1c
2-14 != winning atmosphereQuote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
I don't buy into the notion that QB's have to sit a year anymore. Especially someone as good as Luck.
yeah..thanks. as i suspected that contract is going to make it real difficult to trade him. The huge ramifactions of accelerating that bonus is going to make it hard for the colts to move him whenever tbh. Even if they restructure this year and deal him next year it'll be a large hit then and more cap space eaten up now. If not for that contract he'd bring a good return now however no team is going to want to take that contract on knowing the position the colts are in and that an outright release is very possible. If they restructure and rid of some of the bonus that makes this years cap value greater and finding a suitor more difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
I don't know...you take the hit now and release him or you restructure and take a hit later but hope you can get some value if he comes back and performs. I'd still say turn the page, take the hit now, and wish him the best. Any value you may get in return will be offset by the moves you can make the the extra cap dollars after next season when that money comes off the cap.
IMO, the sitting and watching a verteran as a way to learn how to play the position has always been way over-rated. The way to learn to play the position is to get on the field and play.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage