http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=cCRnkamitVk
**** yeah.
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That guy rules.
If only there was a presidential candidate that isn't influenced by money and has said he will only make the median American income...
Ron Paul: Better than Jesus, Panacea for AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
he's absolutely right, and the only guy who's spoken anything near what he wants is Ron Paul. Taking the money out of govt. isn't just related to campaign financing, what it comes down to is a much smaller fed and more power and responsibilities to the states and local govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Existing is better than not existingQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That's why he's better. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
That's what I don't understand about the video, he is awesome for saying the truth, Paul is the closest candidate we have to try to rid the Government of what the dude in the video is raging about, but PAUL IS STILL A LOON. Like the guy said, Obama isn't doing anything, hell the ****heads that took a part in this mess like Paulson and Bernanke are still in ****ing office helping Obama make decisions or lack thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Christ the dude is honest as he come and that isn't ****ing good enough. Yet Change, Phony Romney, Texas Good ol' Boy Perry, Michelle "Cure you of being homo" Bachmann, and Warmonger Santorum is ****ing better. SMH
Full O Rage lately
Yeah, pretty much. The proverbial "tallest midget."Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
I'll just add I'm not trying to say to vote for him and no one else, just I hate it when people easily dismiss him as crazy old granpappy, because that is just flat ignorance.
i'll take a straight shooting loon over a crooked politician.
I dislike Paul's overall view points. I'm not going to vote for him just because he's honest if what he's honest about is something I disagree with.
Amazing. It's bout ****ing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
That's stupid. If someone is consistent, and wrong, that's means they're consistently wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Don't blame ya, but handing the keys to a lunatic because he believes what he says, and living in a fantasy world that President Paul would change everything overnight is equally as stupid as allowing the same old same old.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Solving the problems needs to start from the ground up, not the top down.
like all of congress and recent presidents? Paul is right about a hell of alot more than them, consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
agreed totally. the president can only do so much however. what electing someone like paul does for the "ground floor" is clearly showing that the status quo is not going to be accepted. he's not going to do anything near what he wants...but it would speak volumes of the voters desires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
I don't think Ron Paul's views line up with the majority of voters. Destroying the Department of Education and FEMA? Going back to the gold standard? Not believing in separation of church and state? And those are just a couple of the ideas he espouses that I'm sure most voters don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I mean, sure, I guess it says "We don't like the status quo", but I'm not going to vote for someone who I disagree with in so many areas just because he actually believes what he says and it doesn't line up with the status quo.
well the difference is that at least we know what he stands for. these others just speak for whatever is going to get them elected and then do whatever is going to keep them in power. I think some of Pauls ideas are extreme and some are very accurate.....i don't however think he'd get any of those extreme ideas through this congress so see little harm in his election. I do however see a message sent with his election and a dialog created that the status quo is done and we the people want to see major changes implemented. Forget about the BS and get down to discussing what matters. And the message of reducing the power of the fed would ring loudly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Well, Paul is probably not winning the nomination unless college students become registered republicans by the Primary season because he's latched onto a huge voting populace within colleges. And they don't like to register for a party.
Some states, you don't have to register as a member of a particular party--you just show up at the polling place and tell the poll workers which party's primary you want to vote in.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And how is everyone else we have to choose less lunatic? Because they actually don't admit they're lunatic in the fear of losing votes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
Paul sticks to his philosophy and when we don't truly know Obama or what everyone else truly represents. I would say that is more lunacy than knowing what you're getting.
edit: Well just noticed dickay said the same thing. Oops
It won't happen. Congress and the House will block it. What he will do is veto everything that the House and Congress passes and that is fine to me, because I have about as much faith in them as I do in god.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Ron Paul can promise anything he wants. But to become a fanboy and guarantee he will be honest as President is psychopathic when you then turn and say you trust no one in Government. I'm not saying he will start lying but to say he will stand firm on all his issues is god damn lunacy if I ever seen it.
Yeah...nevermind the point that just because I know what I'm getting means I should consider voting for him when I completely disagree with him on the majority of issues...I don't know what makes everyone so certain that Paul won't act against things he's said in the campaign if he were elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
We had this exact discussion in the past (maybe even this thread?). In 2008, there was nothing indicating that, if elected, Obama wouldn't stick to his guns and follow through with things.....but he hasn't, obviously. Seriously, what makes Paul so different?
I didn't guarantee anything. Based on his past 30 years he is more consistent than all the other candidates, so based on those 30 years I think it is reasonable to at least think he will be as such while in office. Ron Paul hasn't really promised anything like we are used to hearing from other candidates (I will get us out of this herpaderp). He just explains why things haven't worked while adding logic and common sense to why these things don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And why is it that now I am a fanboy? Just because I want to spread a message that everyone seems to be in denial about and that they don't want to hear?
Listen, I have paid close attention to all the candidates in the GOP and I've heard Obama. I don't buy empty promises and quite honestly Ron Paul is the ONLY, that actually has some solutions to solve our nations problems. I feel strongly about Paul but I am still undecided about how I want to use my vote. I want to hear what everyone has to say and we still have another year to hear just that. Based on this short sample, I am not totally enthusiastic about everyone else.
I think what makes Paul different is that his campaign is based on information and not talking points. He doesn't have a flashy slogan like change, and to be honest the only reason he is out there is just trying to spread a message of liberty. Before he took part of this nobody gave him a shot to win (media still isn't giving him a shot even though polling suggests otherwise), his only goal was to spread his message. It just so happens that more people have been more receptive to it than in years past.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Just for the record, if Obama ended the Wars like he promised, I would strongly consider voting for him. But all he is to me is a flat out liar right now.
First arrest in Milwaukee!! The revolution is upon us!!!!!!!!!
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A man who has been involved in past protests in Milwaukee was arrested Thursday during a protest by Occupy Milwaukee at a downtown bank, but within hours different versions of what led to the arrest had emerged.
A 25-year-old man identified as Austin Thompson entered the downtown M&I branch and "yelled something to the effect of 'this is a hostile takeover' causing at least one clerk in the bank to believe that they were being robbed," said Anne Schwartz, police spokeswoman.
Police said they were not tying the man to the Occupy Milwaukee protests that started over the weekend, but noted he has been previously cited at demonstrations in Milwaukee.
However, people who identified themselves as participants in the gathering organized by Occupy Milwaukee said no one had threatened the bank or anyone else. The group is an offshoot of the Occupy Wall Street movement, which focuses on the role large banks and multinational corporations play in government and the economy.
A video posted on the group's Facebook page late Thursday afternoon carried about nine minutes of footage from Thursday's protest. The video does not give a complete record of the gathering; it's not clear what might have happened before or after filming, or whether the video was edited.
At different points in the video, police can be seen in the background observing the event. Then, a man at the center of the protesters yells: "Folks, this is not a recession, this is a robbery. We are being robbed, and they're stealing and taking away from us every day."
At that point, officers can be seen on the video interceding and taking the man away. They refused to give any reasons for the arrest to other protesters.
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Originally Posted by ragecage
Soooooo
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Originally Posted by ragecage
Like HGM said what makes Paul different from other politicians? That he's not a typical presidential candidate? Neither was Obama. That he's an underdog in the primaries? So was Obama. That he's charismatic and promotes ideals that he votes with nearly 100% of the time? In 2008, there was no indication Obama would falter into the spineless President content with blaming everything on a do-nothing congress.
Paul is different because...you like him? I mean, I don't understand how someone can say they don't trust any politician or the government in general, but throw such love behind a man who is part of what you don't trust.
Furthermore, I'm not going to vote for someone I disagree with. And I never should have to just because my other choices might lie to me. So that's the silliest pro-Paul argument ever. I don't like Paul, I will never like Paul, and Ron Paul is not my choice for President.
This thread is all over the place .. lol
I did like that youtube rant ... I thought he was channeling me there at times. I just K.I.S.S..and say" he who has the gold makes the rules".
There are only 3 GOP members that have the money to get the nomination:
Romney (ie McCain II)
Perry
Cain (and he is only a maybe money wise)
And Perry in the last debate acted darn foolish a couple times trying to make Romney appear crazy for hiring illegal workers (sad).
If Romney is the GOP pick, I pretty much plan to vote for Obama at this point. If the GOP party can't get it right by george, I'm in favor of giving them another four years to figure it out. Misery loves Company and I figure another four years of Obama and we ought to have plenty of unemployed company around here. By then I'll be hooked up to the government SS plan and I'll be voting your taxes up higher to cover my retirement adventures, just so you know now why I change my party in a couple of years ... hehehe
BTW - I discovered this week I am officially to be labeled a Euro-American
The Tea Party wants 3 things and they are:
Limited Government
Lower Taxes
Free Commerce
And they are not going to compromise ... especially with Occupy Wall Street (come on, you can't be for real).
I think it's great that these protesters are now committing crimes against each other.
And I said and agree that there is no guarantee. But Paul has been doing the same things, been Libertarian for 30 years man. Obama has not been doing the same thing as long if you want to be picky about it. Go over Paul's voting history, mostly NO, NO, NO, NO. I don't know what more I can say without being railroaded by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And that's fine to do what you want with your vote, but when you all are in love with a commentator when he goes the **** off, and Paul wants to remedy that, and you say I am a loverboy when you don't even get that is kinda the problem Paul has with the Government, don't get all pissy at me when I point it out.
I mean Kobie and HGM have been able to talk about this with cool heads. Just because a friend of yours does that Paul **** all the time, doesn't make me the same. I kinda take recentment to this loverboy, fanboy ****. Because I am not, but you know to me, in my OPINION, he makes more sense than anyone we have to offer and I wish we had more choices.
http://www.uncoached.com/wp-content/...009/01/pcu.jpg
We're not gonna protest!
First off I'm not even pissy, you clearly are though, second what I love about that Ratigan rant is that he wants his President to come out and say "Your congress is bought and paid for by the highest bidder." I don't want a guy who claims he can shrink government and remove the income tax and do whatever else it is that Paul wants to do. Big government's an issue, but the fact is you can make government as small as you want it, we need money out. And Ron Paul is not going to kick money out if he wins on money. This isn't going to take just electing someone else who makes promises he may or may not be able to keep. This is going to take a systematic change to the way they do business in Washington. This isn't going to take Reagan like cuts to Social program spending, this isn't going to take limiting the defense budget, this is going to take ending the war on drugs, this isn't about that. This is about a government that is bought and paid for. And electing Ron Paul is not the way to fix things, neither is re-electing Obama, neither is electing ANYONE until SOMEONE steps up and says "You know what? You guys are right. There is a systemic issue inside the way we do business in Washington and we've been riding the Status Quo for 50 years and that's the way we do things and that's not right. And that's on us."Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
That's fine if Ron Paul takes a paycut as President. That's. Not. The. Issue. You can't fix government by just electing someone else. Mexico tried that, it didn't work. As much as Ron Paul can say, he can't fundamentally change the way Washington does business on his own just by becoming President. He just can't. The problem is too large, the problem is too systemic.
But clearly I'm a douchebag for even suggesting that maybe, just maybe, Ron Paul isn't who he says he is.
I like Ron Paul personally and I would rather have him then any of the other Republican game show hosts. The fact is that Paul would do nothing about power accumulating at the top, he would endorse it and support the destruction of the middle class. Obama will win and the Republicans need a change of game plan if they want to avoid destruction. I suggest they support the middle class for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
Well yeah, when you get labeled something you're not, any normal person probably wouldn't like it that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
Yeah the way to do that is if somehow to Supreme Court reverses it's decision on Corporate Donations to Campaigns.Quote:
second what I love about that Ratigan rant is that he wants his President to come out and say "Your congress is bought and paid for by the highest bidder." I don't want a guy who claims he can shrink government and remove the income tax and do whatever else it is that Paul wants to do. Big government's an issue, but the fact is you can make government as small as you want it, we need money out. And Ron Paul is not going to kick money out if he wins on money. This isn't going to take just electing someone else who makes promises he may or may not be able to keep. This is going to take a systematic change to the way they do business in Washington. This isn't going to take Reagan like cuts to Social program spending, this isn't going to take limiting the defense budget, this is going to take ending the war on drugs, this isn't about that. This is about a government that is bought and paid for. And electing Ron Paul is not the way to fix things, neither is re-electing Obama, neither is electing ANYONE until SOMEONE steps up and says "You know what? You guys are right. There is a systemic issue inside the way we do business in Washington and we've been riding the Status Quo for 50 years and that's the way we do things and that's not right. And that's on us."
You can't fix it, but with someone like Paul you have a shot to reign in spending. NOT A GUARANTEE, but a shot.Quote:
That's fine if Ron Paul takes a paycut as President. That's. Not. The. Issue. You can't fix government by just electing someone else. Mexico tried that, it didn't work. As much as Ron Paul can say, he can't fundamentally change the way Washington does business on his own just by becoming President. He just can't. The problem is too large, the problem is too systemic.
No just for the label. I wouldn't go as far as to say you're a douche, but I'm just thinking maybe chillout on that.Quote:
But clearly I'm a douchebag for even suggesting that maybe, just maybe, Ron Paul isn't who he says he is.