Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
guidi2009
First off this has been a matter close to my heart for a very long time. All of us have had this discussion many times on this forum. As for the sentiment that this is a hippie unorganized movement: let me say this. Most movements have a figurehead, like the Obama campaign or Christians with Jesus. The fact that this movement does not is the very reason it has spread not only all over America but to other countries. They don't need a clear message on one topic and they learned this from the Tea Party.
Jeff, If all lower class people were getting paid $20 per hour how many more people would buy your services? I would bet you would have to hire more people at $20 per hour. You seem to like the trickle down concept but it has failed horribly. If the bulk of the US population had more money to spend it would be a tidal wave.
This is my vision of a fair United States. Tarrif the hell out of China imports and any country that uses slave labor, has poor woman rights, subjects its peoples, doesn't have environmental laws. Give massive tax cuts to companies who deal only with "Good" countries. Tax the hell out of companies that don't. Cut the military in half or more in peace time. Universal health care. Universal Education. Massive pay raises so the average family can have one parent at home with the children if they choose to do so. Stop arming the world. You may think I sound like a Christian here but as you know I'm not.
I love the irony in all this. Liberals constantly slammed the tea party movement at its inception, called it unorganized chaos, criticized them as fools and mocked them. Now their own unorganized movement comes up and they stand an applaud. Republicans stood and applauded the patriotism of those "taking america back" at tea party conventions across the country. Now they laugh and mock a liberal movement as unorganized chaos by uneducated fools looking to cause trouble.
I stand and applaud them both. Power to the people!! As the republicans political machine stuck its claws in and has attempted to pervert the tea party movement, we already see the seeds of the democrat political machine doing the same to occupy. I hope they all stand strong and fight back against the machine.
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
dickay
I love the irony in all this. Liberals constantly slammed the tea party movement at its inception, called it unorganized chaos, criticized them as fools and mocked them. Now their own unorganized movement comes up and they stand an applaud. Republicans stood and applauded the patriotism of those "taking america back" at tea party conventions across the country. Now they laugh and mock a liberal movement as unorganized chaos by uneducated fools looking to cause trouble.
I stand and applaud them both. Power to the people!! As the republicans political machine stuck its claws in and has attempted to pervert the tea party movement, we already see the seeds of the democrat political machine doing the same to occupy. I hope they all stand strong and fight back against the machine.
You never found me saying such things. Yes I disagree with their message and I know for a fact that it was started by powerful Republicans but I predicted their movement well before it happened because after the horrible failure of Bush they had to reinvent the party. It took on a life of it's own after Dick Army left it and I respect that.
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
guidi2009
You never found me saying such things. Yes I disagree with their message and I know for a fact that it was started by powerful Republicans but I predicted their movement well before it happened because after the horrible failure of Bush they had to reinvent the party. It took on a life of it's own after Dick Army left it and I respect that.
i'm not saying you in particular....
the movement didn't happen because the GOP needed to reinvent themselves, just as the occupy movement isn't being created by the democratic party. These are genuine grassroots movements which are being perverted by the political machines from both parties as they try to take that movement as their own and corrupt it to fit their ideology. It's their way of maintaining control and power. Keep your enemies closer. The tea party movement was and remains a threat to republicans as it contends to expose so called conservatives that don't live up to their promises. The more republican politicians can infiltrate the movement and call it their own, the more control they have over their voice. Same thing with occupy. It's how the two parties have squashed / contained these types of movements by the people.
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Any female minorities want to help out and get involved in Houston (TX, not GM)? They need you:
OccupyHouston:
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Announcement from diversity: need more non-white non-males involved!!!!!
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Went down to Occupy Fort Collins today to get some interviews and film the protest for a news story. From speaking to these people, it seems they know they have a real issue but they don't quite know how to deal with it. This guy talked to me for 10 minutes about how they want to make the campaign and political separation of corporations and politics a constitutional amendment. That's, frankly, the long difficult way of doing things.
It just seems as though these people know they are talking about something important...but they don't quite know the process of change. Jon Stewart said it best though when he said "Maybe if the people in power had made solutions, we wouldn't have people who have no idea how to solve anything yelling in the streets."
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We're too nice in Minnesota. I think we need some unruly protestors from New York to show us how it's done... maybe that guy that **** on the police car.
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A Tea Partier, a Union Leader and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of 12 cookies. The CEO picks up 11 cookies, turns to the Tea Partier and says, "You'd better watch that Union guy, he's trying to take your cookie."
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Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
haveacigar
You know, being misrepresented wouldn't happen if this "movement" had some direction and actually told someone what they actually wanted.
I see this movement as the equivalent of me putting a political sign in my yard.
If I put a "Ron Paul for President" sign in my yard, I'm not trying to advance any specific points, or even convince anyone to vote for Ron Paul. If I were trying to do this, the sign would say something like "Vote For Ron Paul Because He Wants To End The War In Iraq".
The point of the yard sign is to let other like-minded people know that they are not alone. With all the handouts to Wall Street by both the left and the right, people that are against these policies start to feel like they are in a shrinking minority. Non-violent civil disobedience by a few thousand people can bring attention to issues and help remind the millions in the silent majority that they are not alone in thinking that the country has been co-opted by the top 1%.
Public demonstrations precede policy -- not the other way around. The Montgomery Bus Boycotts started in 1955. But it wasn't until 1964 that the Civil Rights Act was passed. Rosa Parks didn't have a 16,119-word bill in mind when she chose to sit in the front of the bus. But that's what resulted after 9 years of many different groups bringing attention to these issues.
And now ... I go out on a limb. I think the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement have the same goal, even though they don't realize it yet. They are both disgusted by the system we've had for the last 30 years whereby politicians and lobbyists shift wealth from middle class to the upper class. The Tea Party blames big government and Occupy Wall Street blames big business. But they are both right. Heck, Wall Street doesn't even need to hire lobbyists because the Whitehouse keeps hiring Wall Street CEOs as the country's leading economic advisers.
When the government writes a $1 Trillion check to Wall Street, both "big government" and "big business" are to blame. The same is true for the billions handed out to Halliburton or Fannie Mae or The University Of Phoenix. It would be nice if both movements realized they are on the same side in trying to stop this type of corruption.
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Nicely done Clay.
One tidbit I heard today was someone complaining that taxes on millionaires in the latest Obama jobs plan 'starts class warfare'. I thought that was hilarious - STARTS?!? The middle class has been losing class warfare for decades.
Thats like the Germans standing at Normandy telling the allied troops that they better not think about landing or else they might start world war 2.
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Alloutwar
Nicely done Clay.
One tidbit I heard today was someone complaining that taxes on millionaires in the latest Obama jobs plan 'starts class warfare'. I thought that was hilarious - STARTS?!? The middle class has been losing class warfare for decades.
Thats like the Germans standing at Normandy telling the allied troops that they better not think about landing or else they might start world war 2.
It's only class warfare when the shots are fired upwards.
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And now ... I go out on a limb. I think the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement have the same goal, even though they don't realize it yet. They are both disgusted by the system we've had for the last 30 years whereby politicians and lobbyists shift wealth from middle class to the upper class. The Tea Party blames big government and Occupy Wall Street blames big business. But they are both right. Heck, Wall Street doesn't even need to hire lobbyists because the Whitehouse keeps hiring Wall Street CEOs as the country's leading economic advisers.
When the government writes a $1 Trillion check to Wall Street, both "big government" and "big business" are to blame. The same is true for the billions handed out to Halliburton or Fannie Mae or The University Of Phoenix. It would be nice if both movements realized they are on the same side in trying to stop this type of corruption.
huh? i thought reading through these forums that the tea party was a bunch of idiotic hillbillies and occupy was a bunch of sophisticated patriots? how can they both be right? well...i suppose they could still have the same goal though despite that. :cool:
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
dickay
huh? i thought reading through these forums that the tea party was a bunch of idiotic hillbillies and occupy was a bunch of sophisticated patriots? how can they both be right? well...i suppose they could still have the same goal though despite that. :cool:
Huh. You must be reading different forums than I am.
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OregonDuck1989
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