like all of congress and recent presidents? Paul is right about a hell of alot more than them, consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
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like all of congress and recent presidents? Paul is right about a hell of alot more than them, consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
agreed totally. the president can only do so much however. what electing someone like paul does for the "ground floor" is clearly showing that the status quo is not going to be accepted. he's not going to do anything near what he wants...but it would speak volumes of the voters desires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
I don't think Ron Paul's views line up with the majority of voters. Destroying the Department of Education and FEMA? Going back to the gold standard? Not believing in separation of church and state? And those are just a couple of the ideas he espouses that I'm sure most voters don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I mean, sure, I guess it says "We don't like the status quo", but I'm not going to vote for someone who I disagree with in so many areas just because he actually believes what he says and it doesn't line up with the status quo.
well the difference is that at least we know what he stands for. these others just speak for whatever is going to get them elected and then do whatever is going to keep them in power. I think some of Pauls ideas are extreme and some are very accurate.....i don't however think he'd get any of those extreme ideas through this congress so see little harm in his election. I do however see a message sent with his election and a dialog created that the status quo is done and we the people want to see major changes implemented. Forget about the BS and get down to discussing what matters. And the message of reducing the power of the fed would ring loudly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Well, Paul is probably not winning the nomination unless college students become registered republicans by the Primary season because he's latched onto a huge voting populace within colleges. And they don't like to register for a party.
Some states, you don't have to register as a member of a particular party--you just show up at the polling place and tell the poll workers which party's primary you want to vote in.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And how is everyone else we have to choose less lunatic? Because they actually don't admit they're lunatic in the fear of losing votes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
Paul sticks to his philosophy and when we don't truly know Obama or what everyone else truly represents. I would say that is more lunacy than knowing what you're getting.
edit: Well just noticed dickay said the same thing. Oops
It won't happen. Congress and the House will block it. What he will do is veto everything that the House and Congress passes and that is fine to me, because I have about as much faith in them as I do in god.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Ron Paul can promise anything he wants. But to become a fanboy and guarantee he will be honest as President is psychopathic when you then turn and say you trust no one in Government. I'm not saying he will start lying but to say he will stand firm on all his issues is god damn lunacy if I ever seen it.
Yeah...nevermind the point that just because I know what I'm getting means I should consider voting for him when I completely disagree with him on the majority of issues...I don't know what makes everyone so certain that Paul won't act against things he's said in the campaign if he were elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
We had this exact discussion in the past (maybe even this thread?). In 2008, there was nothing indicating that, if elected, Obama wouldn't stick to his guns and follow through with things.....but he hasn't, obviously. Seriously, what makes Paul so different?
I didn't guarantee anything. Based on his past 30 years he is more consistent than all the other candidates, so based on those 30 years I think it is reasonable to at least think he will be as such while in office. Ron Paul hasn't really promised anything like we are used to hearing from other candidates (I will get us out of this herpaderp). He just explains why things haven't worked while adding logic and common sense to why these things don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And why is it that now I am a fanboy? Just because I want to spread a message that everyone seems to be in denial about and that they don't want to hear?
Listen, I have paid close attention to all the candidates in the GOP and I've heard Obama. I don't buy empty promises and quite honestly Ron Paul is the ONLY, that actually has some solutions to solve our nations problems. I feel strongly about Paul but I am still undecided about how I want to use my vote. I want to hear what everyone has to say and we still have another year to hear just that. Based on this short sample, I am not totally enthusiastic about everyone else.
I think what makes Paul different is that his campaign is based on information and not talking points. He doesn't have a flashy slogan like change, and to be honest the only reason he is out there is just trying to spread a message of liberty. Before he took part of this nobody gave him a shot to win (media still isn't giving him a shot even though polling suggests otherwise), his only goal was to spread his message. It just so happens that more people have been more receptive to it than in years past.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Just for the record, if Obama ended the Wars like he promised, I would strongly consider voting for him. But all he is to me is a flat out liar right now.
First arrest in Milwaukee!! The revolution is upon us!!!!!!!!!
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A man who has been involved in past protests in Milwaukee was arrested Thursday during a protest by Occupy Milwaukee at a downtown bank, but within hours different versions of what led to the arrest had emerged.
A 25-year-old man identified as Austin Thompson entered the downtown M&I branch and "yelled something to the effect of 'this is a hostile takeover' causing at least one clerk in the bank to believe that they were being robbed," said Anne Schwartz, police spokeswoman.
Police said they were not tying the man to the Occupy Milwaukee protests that started over the weekend, but noted he has been previously cited at demonstrations in Milwaukee.
However, people who identified themselves as participants in the gathering organized by Occupy Milwaukee said no one had threatened the bank or anyone else. The group is an offshoot of the Occupy Wall Street movement, which focuses on the role large banks and multinational corporations play in government and the economy.
A video posted on the group's Facebook page late Thursday afternoon carried about nine minutes of footage from Thursday's protest. The video does not give a complete record of the gathering; it's not clear what might have happened before or after filming, or whether the video was edited.
At different points in the video, police can be seen in the background observing the event. Then, a man at the center of the protesters yells: "Folks, this is not a recession, this is a robbery. We are being robbed, and they're stealing and taking away from us every day."
At that point, officers can be seen on the video interceding and taking the man away. They refused to give any reasons for the arrest to other protesters.
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Originally Posted by ragecage
Soooooo