Occupy Wall Street protest
I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more here with the attention it's been getting.
Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall Street Movement:
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
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If the lower classes want to affect change with this kind of demonstration, they need to actually declare class warfare and make the wealthy elites AFRAID of them. Running around being angry and pursuing nothing more than a vague notion of fairness--with an attached list of neo-socialist utopia bulletpoints--is not going to make anyone care to do anything about it.
Leveling of the economic playing fields happens when two things are occurring. Either economic prosperity is so pronounced that wealth and opportunity hits everyone in the face (the rising-tide-lifts-all-boats idea), or the consequences of class warfare are so apparent and dangerous that the highest classes choose reform over the alternative.
Unfortunately, I think we might be past the point where lower classes can do anything to scare the elites anymore.
/commie Marx post
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I heard of this group last week sometime and from the the reports I read, didn't really have a clear cut message. I understand though they are going through painful times and are fed up with some of what goes on in the country. So my initial thought was that this is good, hopefully something good can come from this. However, these demands are just insane. I would much rather prefer no government and an equal playing field than this.
Who is going to be the lucky lottery winners when it comes to demand 6? Why would I have any motivation to work with demand 3? Government has proven that it is just a wasteful entity with no clue of how to solve issues.
So yeah as much as I'd like to sit on my butt and play video games making a living wage, no thanks and they need to go back to the drawing board with realistic ideas that common people can get behind and like HAC said, intimidation is needed.
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http://www.observer.com/2011/10/occu...h-baton-video/
I guess it's hard to intimidate when the police will beat you down.
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From what I've heard this is a very disorganized, very poorly run protest group that can't seem to find their way. But it is odd they are getting government actioned like that.
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ragecage
The lower classes didn't have much trouble doing it in the 20s and 30s. How bad do you want it?
The answer is, not really all that badly, which is why this isn't registering with anyone important. People keep asking why it's not getting mainstream media coverage, and the answer is always "oh the upper classes are controlling everything." ********. It's not getting coverage because it's not anything. It's a bunch of dudes walking around saying that they're mad about people having money and stuff. The tea party got pretty roundly ignored in its inception for that same reason, and only get press when they proved they weren't going away and they were serious about making it count.
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There's a rally in Milwaukee this weekend. I might check it out.
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None of those demands (except the $2Trillion in new spending) would do anything to create jobs, and most of them would cost jobs. And the proposals about credit would pretty much destroy lending institutions, so you could forget about ever buying anything on credit again (which for day-to-day purchases, we'd be better off), so you could also forget about ever buying a new car or a house (unless you're rich or already own a house). And with only the rich able to buy new cars, say goodbye to what's left of the American automobile industry.
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The demands seem a little out there, I'll be honest. I'm glad they produced some, but half seem good, and the other half are pretty far out there, even for this green/liberal.
On the other hand, something does have to get the 99% motivated. To have a congress that is mostly millionaires, deciding policy that effects the poor and middle class, is just asinine.
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Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.
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You know, being misrepresented wouldn't happen if this "movement" had some direction and actually told someone what they actually wanted.
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I didn't think any of the Lefties here would bring this group up or bless their actions but ... LOL
Give me, give me, give me ... that's what I want. What a trip the new generation is ... hehehe
I really love that ITEM #11: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. (Frickin' Nut case the lot of them).
Sorry boys, the Tea Party still rules the day, big time. We will cost the size of government (EPA & Edu dept) and social (SS & UEI) spending in 2013 (hang in there it will happen).
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Pete4256
Give me, give me, give me ... that's what I want. What a trip the new generation is ... hehehe
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."- Socrates
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@ HoustonGM
WKRC 550 AM radio here in Cincinnati spoke with the young man for 30 minutes about the rally which is to occur on Saturday here. In that 30 minutes the young man refused to answer the the question posed to him more than 10 times:
What are you hoping to change?
What do you stand for?
What do you want people to do? X 10
The question was asked over and over again ... in different ways each time.
The only answer was we hope to bring people together to reach a conscious. (lol)
The Bunch in DC can't seem to do that one, let alone a bunch of unemployed youths that have never worked a year in their life yet. The movement is a joke (or a PAR-TEA) ... Period.
