* * Official 2011 MLB Discussion Thread * *

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Originally Posted by dickay

exaggerating slightly? voters will vote for players from teams that were in contention, they don't have to win it all. what they won't vote for is players like AROD who dominated on a last place team.

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Oh yeah?

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Yes, there is an asterisk next to Ellsbury. This vote is not final. If Boston does not make the postseason, there is no sense in handing the MVP to a someone on the team that just staged the greatest September choke in the history of the sport. It would be like handing out Best Actor or Actress awards to anyone in Gigli.

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Also, I don't quite get why you would choose to use a A-Rod as an example of a player that the voters wouldn't vote for...considering, you know, he won the MVP while playing for a last place team....

I think it's fair to use that as a tie-breaker in a race such as this--where there are like 5 extremely close candidates--but the logic still doesn't make any sense.

Basically, people are going to pin a "not clutch" tag on Ellsbury for hitting 373/417/682/1.099 in September.

For a recent example see David Wright, 2007.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

Verlander stole my heart and the MVP award.

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homo.

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Originally Posted by Manny Trillo

For a recent example see David Wright, 2007.

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What about him? I have Pujols edging him out that year:

Pujols: 8.3 rWAR, 8.4 fWAR, 8.35 AVG, 4.77 WPA (Win Probability Added)
Wright: 7.8 rWAR, 8.9 fWAR, 8.35 AVG, 4.15 WPA

WAR is way too close to call, so I went to WPA and it's Pujols by a nose for me.

Matt Holliday, 2007 :(

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Matt Holliday, 2007 :(

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He still hasn't touched the plate four years on from the 1 game playoff that year.

:dance:

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

What about him? I have Pujols edging him out that year:

Pujols: 8.3 rWAR, 8.4 fWAR, 8.35 AVG, 4.77 WPA (Win Probability Added)
Wright: 7.8 rWAR, 8.9 fWAR, 8.35 AVG, 4.15 WPA

WAR is way too close to call, so I went to WPA and it's Pujols by a nose for me.

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Where can I find WPA?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Where can I find WPA?

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Fangraphs

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Fangraphs

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And B-R

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Where can I find WPA?

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Here ya go.

well fudge lol

if you need any help finding batting average as well, let us know

Doesn't really matter, but that was a craptacular loss

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Originally Posted by filihok

Doesn't really matter, but that was a craptacular loss

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Of course, there are two sides to every story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUaa...yer_embedded#!

Reyes out of the game with a .337 average.

New York is officially on Braun Watch

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Originally Posted by filihok

Of course, there are two sides to every story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUaaWa1VOQ&feature=player_embedded#!

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Huh. Announcer screams "Are you watching Milwaukee!!! Did you just see that!!!" Okay. Yeah. I'm sure Milwaukee is really scared now. I guess we shouldn't even bother to show up if we meet in the playoffs.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Reyes out of the game with a .337 average.

New York is officially on Braun Watch

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It's going to be very hard for Braun to overtake Reyes. Braun will need at least a 3 for 4 day.

If Braun goes 2 for 2 he'll have 189 hits in 561 at bats = .33690
If Braun goes 3 for 4 he'll have 190 hits in 565 at bats = .33748
But, if Braun goes 3 for 5 he'll have 190 hits in 566 at bats = .33688
So, if Braun has more than 5 at bats, he'll need 4 hits.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Oh yeah?


Also, I don't quite get why you would choose to use a A-Rod as an example of a player that the voters wouldn't vote for...considering, you know, he won the MVP while playing for a last place team....

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geesh, i thought that made it pretty obvious i was being facetious.

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Originally Posted by dickay

geesh, i thought that made it pretty obvious i was being facetious.

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Guess not.

Anyway, I wasn't exaggerating, as I showed, but referring to something dumb printed earlier that day.

It would be funny if Braun went 3 for 2 or whatever, but do we really still care about something like that? I kind of would prefer an OBP award instead.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

It would be funny if Braun went 3 for 2

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That would be impressive

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Originally Posted by ragecage

do we really still care about something like that? I kind of would prefer an OBP award instead.

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Even as a Brewers fan, I'm indifferent about Braun winning the batting average title. His finishing with a .336 or .337 won't affect my view of the season at all

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Originally Posted by etothep

That would be impressive

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I'm glad you liked that. Me n my best bud were talking baseball at a party and someone comes up to us like he's all into baseball and said did you guys watch that White Sox game? Frank Thomas went 3 for 2 he is so awesome. Naturally everytime we see him we ask if Frank Thomas went 3 for 2 lately.

Yeah I'm an *******.

So, with the Braves on the cusp of not making the playoffs, are they still happy to have got rid of the "headache" of Yunel Escobar?

One has to think that they'd have the WC wrapped up if they'd have kept Yunel instead of trading him for an older downgrade at SS


Edit: Nevermind. Still being told I'm dumb for saying the Escobar for Gonzalez trade is bad for the Braves

Ruh roh Atlanta

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Ruh roh Atlanta

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They lose. Cards in the playoffs

Ugh, gonna feel weird pulling for the Crudinals over the Phils

Papelbon and the Sox blow it

And Evan Longoria sends the Rays to the playoffs with a home run just over the left field wall and just inside the foul pole.

This has been an absolutely unreal night.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

And Evan Longoria sends the Rays to the playoffs with a home run just over the left field wall and just inside the foul pole.

This has been an absolutely unreal night.

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+1, this has been maybe the most fun Ive ever had watching sports, and rays aren't even my team.

Plus the Braves and Redsox join the mets in the choker party

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

And Evan Longoria sends the Rays to the playoffs with a home run just over the left field wall and just inside the foul pole.

This has been an absolutely unreal night.

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You said it! Wow... poor Red Sox fans. Not being in the playoffs since 2009 now?!? Talk about suffering!

Nice to see the Rays snuck in. Looks like I'll be rooting for the Yankees again this postseason. GO YANKEES!

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Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP

You said it! Wow... poor Red Sox fans. Not being in the playoffs since 2009 now?!? Talk about suffering!

Nice to see the Rays snuck in. Looks like I'll be rooting for the Yankees again this postseason. GO YANKEES!

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How can you not root for the Rays?!

I ****ing love baseball

Harold Reynolds is verbally fellating Tony LaRussa right now for some ungodly reason. According to him, TLR Is why STL won.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

How can you not root for the Rays?!

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I'm questioning the sexuality of anyone who doesn't root for the Brewers this postseason

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Harold Reynolds is verbally fellating Tony LaRussa right now for some ungodly reason. According to him, TLR Is why STL won.

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I think we can ALL agree Nick Punto is the reason the Cardinals won.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-co...DanJohnson.png
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...t-for-context/

God I love it. I ****ing love it. I love Dan Johnson.

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

God I love it. I ****ing love it. I love Dan Johnson.

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The Great Pumpkin