The Twins are just awful right now. They remind me of the Mariners from last season. And yeah, Joey Bats is the bawmQuote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
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The Twins are just awful right now. They remind me of the Mariners from last season. And yeah, Joey Bats is the bawmQuote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
.368/.520/.868/1.388 through 150 PA with 16 HR and 24 extra base hits. We need to promote this guy to the next level...Oh wait. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
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Sox? Sweeping? At Yankee Stadium? AGonz and Youk?
Awesome-tastic
That Bautista extension sounds like the bargain of the off-season right now.
He has seen 34% of pitches in the strike zone.
Bonds 01-04 never had a season lower than 40% and we all know how that turned out.
I don't think that accounts for the boatload of intentional walks that Bonds was issued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
It probably doesn't, but if Jose keeps this up, his IBB might start getting raised.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
please tell me you're not in any way comparing Bautista to Bonds, are you? I know the answer, there's no way you would be...but something is making me ask anyway ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...autista-facts/Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
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Originally Posted by Dave Cameron
What are you insinuating dickay? In terms of how locked in he is, and the last guy that I remember being this locked in...Yes, it's Bonds. What of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I think the actual insinuation is that Bautista is the only player in the major leagues taking steroids right now. The rest of the league is entirely clean and only Jose is "on the juice", allowing him to completely dominate the entire league.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
That's the most reasonable explanation, right?
Yes. He discovered some invisible, magical substance that only he knows about and because he's such an anti-social a$$hole, he refuses to share it with others. I heard an interview with him yesterday where he talked about eschewing weights and emphasizing stretching and flexibility following his sports hernia surgery last year. I'm sure he hasn't put away the weights altogether, but it's good to know he realizes that what will keep him on the field is flexibility, rather than strutting around like some circus freak Russian Olympic weightlifter. Not mentioning names here, just that I prefer the more well rounded baseball that we've been seeing over the last few years to the arcade style of the late '80's to mid '00's.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Apropos of nothing discussed above: When's the last time anybody saw Bautista break a bat? He has an uncanny ability to barrel whatever he chooses to swing at.
i'm sure throughout history we can find many guys who've had sick months. Phone me when it is sustained. Curious what was Bonds best month during his hey day.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Really? Last April I believe it was Cano who was tearing the league up. Josh Hamilton hit near .500 one month last year with about 10 home runs. And finally didn't Tulowitski break a record for HR's in a month in August or Sept last year? We have players who have these freak months every year......show me one, other than Bonds, who's sustained such a crazy peak. And when that happens, then that person can be compared to him.Quote:
What are you insinuating dickay? In terms of how locked in he is, and the last guy that I remember being this locked in...Yes, it's Bonds. What of it?
I like this approach, if indeed it's what he does (read, say one thing and do another). I wish Zimmerman would also try this approach to his exercise routine.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Look, Bautistas a great player off to a great start. But these early season comparisons are a joke. It's like the guy who hits two HR's on opening day being on pace for 324 HR's. Gimme a break.
interesting angle, and plausible. i was more thinking that MLB and specifically Selig must have undertaken an agenda at rejuvenating baseball in Canada via the long ball and want Bautista to be the face of it. They've conspired with opposing pitchers to throw him cupcakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
.472/.696/1.132 (April 2004)Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Cano in April 2010: .400/.436/.765, 94 PAQuote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Hamilton in June 2010: .454/.482/.815, 114 PA
Tulowitzki in Sept 2010: .303/.366/.754, 134 PA
Jose Bautista Apr. 15-May 15 2011: .375/.528/.975, 106 PA
Not quite up to what Bautista has done in a month and a half so far, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
The point of the article filihok linked to was just to go over how absolutely phenomenal Jose Bautista has been so far this season. It is not saying that Jose Bautista is going to sustain this level of performance or that Jose Bautista is now as good as Barry Bonds was at his peak. Jeffy wasn't saying that either. What he said that you replied to originally was that if Bautista keeps this up, he's likely to be intentionally walked more. I think that's relatively self-evident.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
i was pretty sure jeffy wasn't making that comparison...and thought that was evident in my post....however action then chimed in with remarks insinuating a comparison between bonds and bautista. now i realize he's a blue jay fan....but i think thats putting the cart ahead of the horse a bit. bautista's had a great month (and a half). i'm not taking that away from him...but i'm not going to go out of my way to say he's as good as Bonds was.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
good find with the numbers of those i listed. those are just some off the top of my head from last year. is the claim that Bautista's month is really that rare? Do you know of other months over the past decade or so of close comparison? I find it hard to believe there weren't any. I mean, its a special month (and a half) but I don't think its something only he and bonds have done over the past decade or so. I could be wrong in that.
And nobody else is, either. Stop being obstinate.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I guess my question would be, if you got this from what dickay posted do a part of you think something isn't on the up and up with Bautista?Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Another question I ask, if he did fail a drug test, how shocked and surprised would everyone be?
To be honest a part of me wonders myself as I wondered last year. I remember seeing posts from some people that he passed some tests last season, that only made me wonder if there is something out there that is yet detectable by current tests. Yeah whole conspiracy theory type stuff, but with all in the past I just can't help having on my foil hat.
you mustve just learned that word and need to look up the meaning. theres nothing obstinate about my recent responses. stop being an antagonist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
no, youQuote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
Yes there is. When you keep insisting that Jeffy was claiming that Bautista = Bonds, and you've been told repeatedly that's not what he said, that's being obstinate. Stop being a tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
i think there will almost always be undetectable stuff out there. i wouldnt be surprised at all if bautista or many are on something. when it comes to peds, ive come to a place where i dont think its cheating unless ones caught. there has always been attempts to get an edge in baseball and always will be. if hes juicing and not caught.. more power to him. if he gets caught...then he deserves a hefty suspension, fine and public scorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/kobie173/no_u.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by etothep
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Originally Posted by Kobie
except for i was never persistant on that at all. maybe you need to read the thread again.
the ped developers will always be a step ahead of the ped testers
EDIT: NVM, I am not getting dragged down to dickay's level of stupidity so he can beat me with experience
and still trying to antagonize. we all appreciate the thread derailment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
i just read the smartest man in baseball moved Pujols to 3rd for a game. any chance Pujols get 5 starts at 3B? i'd love to have him eligible at 3rd for my fantasy team.
ANYWAY, my dealings with that clown aside, I hope to hell Joey Bats is clean. And I've read stuff regarding how he changed up his swing and approach at the plate late in the 2009 season, which was right around when he turned from journeyman outfielder into superstar.
Nobody has.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
From a BTF thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Sammy Sosa, Aug 9-Sep 24 2001 .386/.477/.883 21 HR, 45 RBI
Frank Thomas May 10-Jun 21 1994 .430/.548/.898 17 HR 48 runs scored
Similar overall lines, but it's important to remember that Bautista has done this in a lower overall run environment (even considering his home park) than Sosa and Thomas did, so, in context, Bautista's line is greater. Yeah, it's not totally unheard of but that doesn't make it any less outstanding.
He passed tests like every other MLB player that didn't get suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
Steroids do not change your batted ball profile, significantly improve your plate discipline, etc. They do not transform a hitter from league-average to the best in the game. Jose Bautista worked with Jays hitting coach Dwayne Murphy. He opened up his stance and reworked his swing. He completely revamped himself as a hitter.
Oh, and, also, steroids don't work overnight. Bautista retooled his swing prior to the final month of 2009 and hit .257/.339/.606 in September/October with 10 HR and has been awesome since.
It's obviously possible that Joey Bats is roiding, but even if he is, I'm not buying the existence of a magical baseball PED that turns a 15 HR guy into a 55 HR guy just on that alone.
Yeah I read that too. Also there has only been a just a handful of players who hit over 40 homers at the age of 29 who have never done it prior, for multiple seasons, out of 11 only 3 played outside of the steroid era. (Mike Schmidt, Willie Stargell, and Frank Howard)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
Doesn't prove anything about PED use but it just shows the rarity of a player coming along and doing what he has done.
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Nobody has.
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Quote Originally Posted by actionjackson View Post
What are you insinuating dickay? In terms of how locked in he is, and the last guy that I remember being this locked in...Yes, it's Bonds. What of it?
thats what led to this discussion.
"In terms of how locked in he is."Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
That is not saying that Jose Bautista's talent level is now equivalent to peak Bonds. It's saying that, in terms of how locked in Bautista is right now, the last guy actionjackson remembers seeing that locked in was Barry Bonds.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/08/24/al...ome-run-binge/ - Article from last August analyzing Bautista's new swing.
This is kind of confusing. What, exactly, are you saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
I thought the zaniest stats for Bautista is this: in the last 365 Days he has hit 63 homeruns; only 2 have been to right field; and those two came in of all places Target Field.
There have been 11 players who had their first 40-plus homer season at the age of 29 or later, and only three played outside the Steroid Era.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM