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Sometimes I f***ing hate baseball. Gawd it can be cruel, except if you're a Red Sox fan the last 3 days. What a beatdown in Boston. Ooof! Glad that clusterf*** of a road trip is over.
At least we can gather around and appreciate Josh Beckett.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Amirite?
ragey, stop pushin' my hatred buttons. Josh Beckett is one of the biggest f***ing douches in baseball. Loved him when he mowed down the Yanks in 2003, but I didn't exactly know how much of an a$$hole he was. Since his first start against the Jays, I've hated him possibly more than I've ever hated any baseball player ever. No, it's not jealousy because I would never, ever want the Jays to acquire him, regardless of the fact that he's a solid major league starting pitcher (stated grudgingly). He's just one of those guys who seems destined to be a dick in perpetuity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
lol what did beckett do to make you hate him so much? Is it just the way he does interviews, or did he do something seriously bad?
Mike Leake's mugshot after being arrested for stealing $60 worth of t-shirts:
http://mit.zenfs.com/121/2011/04/leake_mug.jpg
+1, i kept seeing 'poop out my nose' whenever i loaded that pageQuote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
I went to the sox game, sat 3rd row in the RF box, tremendous seats. At first i thought I was hosed, paying 75 smackers for a DiceK start....but wow. 2 base runners.
And Lowrie, with the bat! Holy hell. Guy is legit.
This incident sums it up best: Grade-A a$$hole. There have been others, but this was his crowning douchey achievement. The icing on the douchecake was this gem:
He's a snippy little s*** with the media, who's also a headhunter, and extremely aggressive when called out for being a headhunter, but bringing up Nick Adenhart was way beyond the pail. That scenario doesn't happen all that often in any sport. When it does, you don't go there. You just don't. I love the DH, but sometimes I wish an exception could be made for Josh Beckett, so he could go up there and get what's been owed him for a long time.Quote:
""Obviously, there's a lot of emotion in this series," Beckett said. "Not only facing us, but the tragedy."
Oh, the Angels LOVED hearing that.
"Don't use Nick," Hunter said of Adenhart, who was killed last week in a car crash. "I don't know if everybody has eyes on us, [thinking] we're not emotionally stable, but that was blatant. We'd have been out there no matter what.""
EDIT: Tracked down film of the incident. Put it together with that quote, along with his other incidents over the years, and you have the makings of #1 all-time douche, or at least a spot in the rotation on the all-time douche team.
Jerry Sands called up (at the expense of Xavier Paul who was DFA'd :mad:).
First at bat occurring now.
Fouls off his first two major league pitches
Doubles off of Tim Hudson.
Dodgers up 3 - 0
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Originally Posted by filihok
This really deserves a facepalm. You make $400,000 a year and you can't afford $60 worth of shirts? O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by etothep
Maybe he did it for the rush of stealing something and getting away with it?Too bad for him the latter part of the plan didn't happen. I've come to the conclusion though hes either an attention whore or an adrenaline junkie.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Don't forget the $2.27 mil signing bonus, that would have set most blokes up for life, but I guess he reeeaaallly had to have those shirts and he reeeaaallly didn't want to pay for them. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Whatever man, Craig Monroe shoplifted some belts. Some peeps just like doing hoodrat stuff with their friends.
2nd at bat:Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Forces Hudson into a wild pitch. ;)
Sac fly to right field drives in a run.
In two at bats Sands has half as many RBI as Dodger left fielders had in 66 plate appearances this year.
If Ubaldo sucks tomorrow I'm gonna start blaming it on my attendance.
Can Tulo get his "15 Games in MVP" yet? It's a very valuable award and I feel like Andre Ethier is hogging it.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
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To get a general idea of how superb Kemp has been this season, here is a list of categories in which he currently leads the majors: batting average (along with BABIP), stolen bases (tie), on-base percentage, weighted runs created, weighted runs above average, wOBA, and WPA.
m v p! M v p!Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
and the basis for your analysis on his personal character is?Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
please, in the middle of the windup he sees the umpire jump out from behind the catcher, thats easily enough to throw one off and cause a loss of control. if you think with certainty that it was intentional, than I believe you have a predisposition that wants you to believe that because of a personal issue you hold against Beckett. That didn't appear intentional to me at all, it was a guy who was startled during a windup and unfortunately it ended up going towards Abreus head. Fortunately it didn't hit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
As for the comments, think about it now...if it truly wasn't intentional he's just trying to rationalize the behavior and short fuse of Abreu response and give Abreu the benefit of doubt rather than hold it against him. Perfectly understandable. If it was intentional, than yes its a dick thing to say but the fact he said it leads me to believe even moreso that it was unintentional.
As for being snippy with the media...i don't know if i'd say he is or isn't. i'm sure at times he may be as many athletes are. i really don't care and certainly don't define a players character by his interactions with the media. He's very critical of himself as a baseball player which some people take issue with and I understand that. I always hated Paul O'Neill for that and also don't like that about Kevin Youkilis. But i leave my hatred (poor choice of word) solely at the baseball player and not the person. On the field of competitive play people will be entirely different than they are off of it.
Professional athletes are very often not what we make of them personally. They aren't as bad or as good as people think of them, in many cases at least.
Wait...this confuses me...you hate those guys because they're critical of themselves? That doesn't make much sense to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
as i said, "hate" is the wrong word. I don't mind that they are critical of themselves, that came out wrong...its how they express it. I don't like that kind of attitude on the field. One can be critical of themself without knocking down the water cooler, throwing bats and helmets, screaming, kicking, or other childish antics. A little self-control from an adult isn't too much to ask is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
i can understand people lose their cool once in awhile, but Yuke and ONeill do it all the time (really not fair putting them two together as Oneill was far worse but Yuke is no saint). I used to laugh as it seemed ONeill he never watched a strike in his career. if he didn't swing, it must have been a ball as he b!tched constantly as the umps about it.
I have taught young children to play the game for quite a few years now off and on. I see them emulating this behavior at times..throwing batting helmets and the like. It disrespects the game, and the others playing it and bothers me greatly.
I actually gotta go with Dickay on this one, as much as it makes me feel the need to shower with Lysol afterward.
Self-criticism is one thing. Throwing a tantrum like a four-year-old is something else. You're men paid to play a game. Sack the **** up.
kind of like a grown man acting juvenile in a public forum chatroom. Although unfortunately there's no compensation for being an a$$ on here. I don't know if that makes it better or worse, but at least you'd be wealthy if there was ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
And we're back to reality. **** off.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
case rested your honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobie
It's not that I'm a "juvenile," as you like to put it. It's that I just don't like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Okay, that makes more sense. All you had said was that what you disliked was that they were critical of themselves, and that doesn't seem like a reason to hate or dislike someone....acting out like that is a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
yeah, i realized i should have elaborated moreso after i read your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
i know yankee fans taht get all over yuke for his antics but were huge Oneill fans. the hypocrisy of the sports fan never ceases to amaze me. as a sox fan, i can honestly say that Yuke's antics do embarrass me often and i loathe them just as much as i did Oneills.
Only if he's willing to split it with Joey Votto.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
And Matt Kemp.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Being an a-hole yourself doesn't help things either.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Nb4 he started it.
Goodbye Brad Emaus, and good riddance.
Yeah, 14 games, totally enough to determine that Brad Emaus is absolutely terrible.Quote:
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David Wright is awesome.
The "short fuse" of Abreu? Really? I agree that Beckett has to follow through on his delivery to avoid injury, but it is interesting that that follow through resulted in a rising 94 mph fastball that whistled right by Abreu's coconut, at a time when he would've been gathering his thoughts in a relaxed "time out" position. Abreu had every right to raise his arms in a WTF position in that situation. Nope. Not according to Beckett. I guess he thought with that gesture that Abreu was "showing him up" as he has countless times in his career, and that made him blow his overly sensitive gasket, and charge like an angry bull straight at Abreu, pointing and screaming at him all the while.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Obviously your Red Sox fan blinders are keeping you from seeing a pattern that many opponent teams, players, and fans have seen over the years: a temperamental child who demands respect from other players, and demands that they respect the game as much as he seems to think he does, without showing any respect towards anyone. He says he respects the game, and his opponents, but that looks like all talk to me, given the number of incidents that he's been at the centre of over the years, where he has taken exception to stupid little fly in the ointment things that the batter has done to "show him up". It's not all about you Josh, it really isn't. To me, every time he turns himself into super cop and guardian of "how the game should be played", he ends up coming off like he thinks he's somehow bigger than the game.
I wouldn't want to be a teammate of this super douche particularly if I were a hitter. He's constantly putting his hitters in jeopardy with his idiocy on the field, and seems to be the first one to take umbrage should the opposing pitcher retaliate. Sometimes his blind need to exact justice (or revenge depending on how you see it) screws him over royally. I was at his 4th start for the Red Sox in 2006. He had started his Sox career brilliantly at 3-0 with a 1.29 ERA in his first three starts, and was going up against former rotation mate A.J. Burnett.
Burnett was out after 4 innings and 78 pitches with a sore elbow (go figure). Beckett was cruising, having allowed 2 runs (Wells 2 run HR) on 3 hits through 7. In the top of the 8th Jason Frasor (who looks like he should still be in high school and doesn't have a malicious, douchy rep, which makes it harder to discern whether it was intentional or not, but runners were at 1st and 2nd with 2 out and he was facing the #9 hitter, so I kind of doubt it) hit Alex Gonzalez. It didn't result in further damage, but it was 6-2 Sox heading to the bottom of the eighth.
I know what the code is, and that with the Jays #9 hitter Aaron Hill leading off the bottom of the 8th, he was probably going to get it, and yeah I was pissed when he did, but you know what? Sometimes you've got to file these petty grievances away for another day and chase after the win, instead of revenge. Not our friend, the fiery competitor Josh. Nope. First pitch was somewhere up on Hill's back (between the shoulder blades? forgive the five year old memory). Up stepped the great Russ Adams ;) and belted a 2-run HR. After Cat struck out, Wells hit a solo shot to drive Beckett from the game. Then for good measure, the next hitter Glaus hit a solo homer off former Jay Mike Timlin. Jays won 7-6 in 12. Way to go Sheriff Beckett! Way to police the game, and make sure people play it the right way, and way to enforce the code. Good job douche. There are many guys in MLB who are fierce competitors like Beckett, without resorting to the idiot, a$$hole, douchebag, f***head side of the force. It's just so over the top and unnecessary.
who precisely? sure you can dig up some loony fan comments but other than those involved in altercations who has made these claims? i think he's a real dude who says it how it is which upsets some in the media and leads to them writing negatively about him. I kind of like how he respects the game and doesn't let players get away with grandstanding and showboating. i've never heard anything but positive comments said about him from teammates in bos and fla. or others throughout the league.Quote:
Obviously your Red Sox fan blinders are keeping you from seeing a pattern that many opponent teams, players, and fans have seen over the years: a temperamental child who demands respect from other players, and demands that they respect the game as much as he seems to think he does, without showing any respect towards anyone.
i have no problem with someone throwing at a batter intentionally, providing its not at the head. i still think its kind of crazy to think that throw to abreu was intentional. the ump didn't think it was and stated he wouldn't even had issued a warning over it. were you at the game to hear what abreu said while he paraded in the batters box yelling at beckett? i wasn't, so i won't make any assumptions as to what elevated becketts behavior which led to him getting the suspension. he was in full windup when time out was called. he was also checking the runner and as soon as he looked at the plate the ump jumped up. surely thats enough to startle someone to where they lose control. while trying to throw a high 90 fastball i don't expect a pitcher to suddenly be able to take velocity off of it. i think you're grasping at straws because you don't like him.
you want to call me a homer fine...i can't stop you, but if you look at my history you'll see i'm very critical of the sawx. i've just recently in this thread criticized yuke which is sacreligious in the nation. i think beckett is highly overrated and have said so in the past in these forums. he's not terrible, but many consider him an ace. the contract he got was terrible. i've got many examples of me being anything but a homer in here, so the gloves don't fit.
The Jays are carrying a 9 man bullpen right now. That is waaaay too many relief pitchers.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Oh I don't know...How about here? (Particularly this part):Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Or here? (In particular the last three lines):Quote:
"The most recent episode was last Tuesday against the Philadelphia Phillies. In the sixth inning, Beckett became indignant when Phillies outfielder Kenny Lofton flipped his bat after Beckett walked him. Beckett had words with Lofton as the teams' benches emptied onto the field.
Beckett said he didn't like the way Lofton threw the bat. The Marlins' pitching coach, Mark Wiley, went to the mound to tell him Lofton had been flipping his bat that way for years. Marlins Manager Jack McKeon had a more animated conversion with Beckett about it once he left the game.
"I got hot with him," McKeon said. "Why should you pay attention to that stuff? Pay attention to what you're going to do to get the next guy out. You can't let little things like that bother you. You do and then they snowball. Then you lose control."
(Beckett had hit Shelley Duncan [that's OK by me, he just might be a bigger ass] and Shin-Soo Choo [their best player] earlier in the game, so I can see why the Indians might have been a bit pissed). There's this Spring Training game incident with Ryan Howard who's known for being a pretty laid-back dude. Or the 2007 ALCS silliness with Kenny Lofton here. Oh noes! Kenny Lofton dropped his bat on a pitch he thought was ball four. Better let him know that that ain't right Sheriff Beckett. Then the write-up on the game I told you about against Toronto. Pretty clear that the Jays thought he was throwing at Hill.Quote:
"Lewis then threw the first pitch of the inning behind Beltre. Home plate umpire Tim Welke got between Beltre and the mound and seemed to have things under control until Beckett led the Red Sox players out of their dugout, screaming and pointing."
I have no problem with a player choosing for himself to play the game the right way. More power to them. I just have no idea who gave Beckett a badge and a gun and told him that he was in charge of ensuring that everybody play the game in the manner that he thinks is the right way to play it. I think he must have deputized himself. It's particularly galling when you consider that there are so many things he does the wrong way, and often looks more like a six year old throwing a temper tantrum than some authority figure, who commands respect. Problem is, he's a six year old having a temper tantrum that can hit 97 mph on the radar gun.
I also realize that incidents like this have happened throughout the history of baseball and will continue to happen. Trouble of this nature sure seems to follow him around though.