You didn't realize you're already in the HOF of Douchenozzles?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
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You didn't realize you're already in the HOF of Douchenozzles?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
As far as the real HOF goes, it's criminal that Jim Rice is in and Evans isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by acetoolguy
The new players on the 2014 ballot that have made my personal Hall of Fame:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Frank Thomas
Mike Mussina
Jeff Kent
The new players on the 2015 ballot that have made my personal Hall of Fame:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
John Smoltz
Gary Sheffield
Johnson becomes the first player to be "inducted" with an Arizona Diamondbacks cap, and Sheffield the first with a Miami Marlins cap.
The only way Sheffield belongs in the HOF is if he buys a ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
140 OPS+ in nearly 11,000 PA is Hall-worthy by any definition. The only argument against him is PEDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
He has admitted to intentionally making errors because he wanted out of Milwaukee. There should be no place in the HOF for a player who tries to make his team lose on purpose. PED's I can forgive at least he is doing it to put up better numbers which in turn helps the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I don't see how a guy who deliberately sabotaged his own team can be allowed on the HOF.
I wouldn't let some idiotic actions someone took in their late teens/early 20s invalidate the other 20ish years of their career.
I disagree. But it doesn't matter anyway because with the intentionally sabotaging of games, admitted PED use, racist comments and just being a douche in general his whole career, it's safe to say he'll never get in. I'll shed no tears for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Man, if racist comments and being a douche actually were disqualifiers for the HoF, who would be left?Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelleWie
We all know the reason he won't get in is PED's. But even with out the PED's he would have a long wait to get in. There is a reason he played for so many teams. He wasn't just your run of the mill douche he is probably the biggest douche to play in MLB in decades. Even bigger than Bonds or Clemens. From racist comments about Jewish people & Latinos to intentionally committing errors to ripping teammates this guy has done it all. I get there were a lot of racist douche bags voted in in the early days but for modern era douches, he is one of a kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Sheffield is lucky he played the majority of his career before social media and the 24 hour news cycle. Guaranteed he would have been fined and suspended several times over in today's MLB.
and....his defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
A flaw in his game is not an argument against his Hall worthiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
They can be disqualifiers:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
From the BBWAA voting criteria:
A voter can certainly refuse to vote for said player because of his "doucheness"Quote:
Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
Sure it is, if the flaw was significant enough.Quote:
A flaw in his game is not an argument against his Hall worthiness.
All this aside...Sheffield is most certainly a HOFer based solely on his play. At his best, he was one of the best players I've ever seen play the game. He was also one of the biggest "douches" to play the game so I wouldn't hold it against a writer if they didn't vote for him on that accord. Surely there may be bigger jackasses in the HOF, but that shouldn't be the gauge for current voters to cast votes by.