I'm guessing that you didn't include retired players who haven't been out for six years yet, right?
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I'm guessing that you didn't include retired players who haven't been out for six years yet, right?
I'm pretty sure HGM's answer to the Baines query will be: not a snowball's chance in hell. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by scooterbracy
Yes. Otherwise Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds among others would be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
Nope. I'm only interested in value. Round number milestones mean nothing to me. You'll notice that Lou Brock, with 3,000 hits, isn't in, and a 300 game winner, Early Wynn, isn't either (along with Mickey Welch), though Wynn I could be convinced on. Brock isn't close. Baines, too, wouldn't be close even with 3,000 hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by scooterbracy
Correct. This is what my Hall of Fame looks like as of today, so that it can be directly compared to how the real life Hall looks today. Assuming I don't forget, I will, each year, add to this list as players hit the ballot in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by free2131
After some more consideration, I've bumped Early Wynn up a few spots in my rankings and added him to my Hall.
no Kenny Lofton?
He had no real peak, but a pretty impressive career WAR.
Why? He seems more like Jack Morris and Dennis Martinez than a hall of famerQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Tigers graciously thank you for enshrining both Sweet Lou and the Tramm. Make sure you put their placks right next to each other. :p
You didn't add Cool Papa Bell? Seemed like one of the Negro Leaguers I'd add.
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Originally Posted by Tigercaptain254
So long as they both get in before Jack (I'm overhyped) Morris.
Not enough peak for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Wynn has 500+ more innings than both of them at a slightly higher level of performance. Plus, he has multiple years in which he has a legitimate argument as being the best pitcher in his league (1951, 1954, 1955, 1956). Martinez and Morris have none like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I mostly deferred to the Hall of Merit on the Negro Leaguers, since they have done extensive research on them. While they did select Bell to the HoM, they ranked him last among center fielders, and I left off a few Negro Leaguers that they ranked very low in their positional rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigercaptain254
Olerud a borderline player?
http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthr...02#post1537702Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
Bah, Olerud was better than Terry and Giambi.
I already replied to this in the other thread. Career-value wise, they're all very close (56.8 Olerud, 55.4 Terry, 52.8 Giambi, according to BB-ref WAR). And here's the top 6 seasons for each player:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Owens
8.2, 8.1, 5.3, 5.3, 5.2, 5.1 (Olerud, 37.2)
7.9, 7.6, 6.8, 6.2, 5.3, 5.0 (Terry, 38.8)
10.3, 8.7, 7.3, 6.9, 4.6, 4.3 (Giambi, 41.2)
It's close. I like the better peak of Giambi, and the greater consistency of Terry, so I ranked them ahead of Olerud. They're all really close...close enough that I think you can't claim with certainty that any of the three were "better" than any of the other two. It's a matter of taste in career value, peak value, and consistency at a high level.
not to be argumentative here how can you ignore career value when evaluating a career? dude has a career WAR of 65.3 which puts him between Andrew Jones at 59.3 and Jim Edmonds at 68.3. correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you say in another thread you thought both those guys should make the hall?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM