Is Jim Edmonds a Hall of Famer?

After debating with some people, I am curious what you guys think.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...01.shtml?redir

.284/.377/.528 132 OPS+

Career WAR of 66.6, sandwiched between Eddie Murray and Pudge

4 time all star
8 time gold glove winner
1 nl silver slugger


and if he is a hall of famer?

What hat does he wear?

Cardinals, of 8 years? How many players had less seasons with the team they would wear the hat for in Cooperstown?

Also, Scott Rolen is a similar discussion (although I think he would wear a Phillies hat if elected)...although third basemen are highly over looked in hall of fame voting.

Tough to say

I would have to say no, because he just doesn't have the numbers.

Besides, if you look down near the bottom of the page, Baseball Reference posts "Hall of Fame Monitor" scores, which are a pretty solid barometer of a specific player's chances at winding up in Cooperstown and he's nowhere close.

Also, I believe Nolan Ryan went in to the Hall of Fame as a Ranger, despite playing more for both Houston & California. So there's one.

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Originally Posted by tdk1984

I would have to say no, because he just doesn't have the numbers.

Besides, if you look down near the bottom of the page, Baseball Reference posts "Hall of Fame Monitor" scores, which are a pretty solid barometer of a specific player's chances at winding up in Cooperstown and he's nowhere close.

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then what do you say about his career WAR of 66.6?

That is a much higher number than several hall of famers, including some first ballot.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

What hat does he wear?

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Visitors can wear whatever headwear they choose :p

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

then what do you say about his career WAR of 66.6?

That is a much higher number than several hall of famers, including some first ballot.

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That's one stat, but I don't think that's the be-all to end-all factor.

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Originally Posted by tdk1984

That's one stat, but I don't think that's the be-all to end-all factor.

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what about his 8 gold gloves? and consistent superior defense? And that he was competing with an all time great centerfielder in Atlanta?

the near 400 homers, and ops over .900 not enough either?

I am curious why people would say he isn't a hall of famer

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

And that he was competing with an all time great centerfielder in Atlanta

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You sold me :p

Initially I would say no... But the more I think about it I could see him possibly getting in if he manages to be with a very very weak class

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Originally Posted by etothep

You sold me :p

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I'm just saying it could be said he might have more GG's if Andruw Jones was not such an amazing defensive center fielder. I mean Jones put up some of the best defensive 8 numbers in a single season of all time.

Personally: I don't think he will get in, but I think he and Rolen should....and not because I am a Cardinals fan.

Lou Whitaker deserves to be in
Allan Trammell
Barry Larkin (probably next year he will)
Bobby Grich
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Ron Santo
Tim Raines
Robbie Alomar (hopefully next year)
Mark McGwire
Reggie Smith
and Dwight Evans

as position players that should be in.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...ur_generation/

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Originally Posted by Tango

I’d have no problem with Edmonds in the HOF, but I’m a medium Hall guy

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No.

what's funny is that Puckett only has a career WAR of 45

that makes me want to ask people why is Kirby a hall of famer but Edmonds not?

Is it the post season play? Can't be, Edmonds was better, and played more in the post-season.

Unless it's that Puckett went out on top, while Edmonds has stuck around a few years....but that is a very weak reason.

Well all that matters is that jeter,mo,posada,(maybe) arod and some more yankees will make it to the hall of fame.

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

Well all that matters is that jeter,mo,posada,(maybe) arod and some more yankees will make it to the hall of fame.

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go away

I can't wait for HGM get in here....I feel confident he will agree with me.

Wait.....I might have to say yes.....

Edmonds is an interesting OF; a guy who was generally regarded as an excellent fielder by his peers (he’s won multiple Gold Glove Awards in CF), but is sometimes considered overrated by the gatekeepers of advanced defensive metrics. The one item not up for debate is the quality of his bat, as his career OPS+ of 132 places him squarely among a group of several Hall of Fame outfielders.

He's a pretty good guy but might miss out on the HOF, but will always be on the "Hall of Very Good".

Jim Edmonds should be in the hall of suck!

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I can't wait for HGM get in here....I feel confident he will agree with me.

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I do.

He's more than deserving, but I fear he has little to no chance. He's a top-10 center fielder of all time. Off the top of my head, Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Tris Speaker, Joe DiMaggio, Ken Griffey and Billy Hamilton rank ahead of him. After that group, Edmonds is right there with Duke Snider.

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

Wait.....I might have to say yes.....

Edmonds is an interesting OF; a guy who was generally regarded as an excellent fielder by his peers (he’s won multiple Gold Glove Awards in CF), but is sometimes considered overrated by the gatekeepers of advanced defensive metrics. The one item not up for debate is the quality of his bat, as his career OPS+ of 132 places him squarely among a group of several Hall of Fame outfielders

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Way to plagiarize.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Way to plagiarize.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Way to plagiarize.

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You can't fool The Bizkit Overlord

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Way to plagiarize.

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I was just saying he facts no meaning to plagiarize.

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

I was just saying he facts no meaning to plagiarize.

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If you're copying directly from another place, it's standard procedure to link to that place and give them credit.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

If you're copying directly from another place, it's standard procedure to link to that place and give them credit.

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Or contain a bibliography at the end of your post.

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

Wait.....I might have to say yes.....

Edmonds is an interesting OF; a guy who was generally regarded as an excellent fielder by his peers (he’s won multiple Gold Glove Awards in CF), but is sometimes considered overrated by the gatekeepers of advanced defensive metrics. The one item not up for debate is the quality of his bat, as his career OPS+ of 132 places him squarely among a group of several Hall of Fame outfielders.

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as soon as I read this, I knew you didn't say it.

http://www.deweyshouse.com/archives/...-sox-analysis/

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Upon hearing the news that the Milwaukee Brewers are close to signing aging outfielder Jim Edmonds, a couple of thoughts came to mind. My first thought was “I can’t believe he’s still playing.” I then thought about the Hall of Fame case for Edmonds, and was admittedly unsure about it before I looked into it.

Edmonds is an interesting case; a guy who was generally regarded as an excellent fielder by his peers (he’s won multiple Gold Glove Awards in CF), but is sometimes considered overrated by the gatekeepers of advanced defensive metrics. The one item not up for debate is the quality of his bat, as his career OPS+ of 132 places him squarely among a group of several Hall of Fame outfielders.

I went back and looked at the career Wins Above Replacement Player for a bunch of well-known outfielders. I didn’t have much of a scientific method for picking the names, I was basically aiming for guys who were considered excellent outfielders without being Willie Mays-level elite. Some of them are in the Hall of Fame, the others are in the “Hall of Very Good”.

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Jeffy showing up late to the plagiarism party

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Way to plagiarize.

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haha, see...same catch.

I saw that, copied and pasted what he said and google searched it.

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Originally Posted by etothep

Jeffy showing up late to the plagiarism party

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:o

I was all proud too, damn bizkit whatever you guys call HGM, beating me to the punch.

The hall should make him wear a Padres hat if he gets in. :)

haha

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nds_Padres.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

what about his 8 gold gloves? and consistent superior defense? And that he was competing with an all time great centerfielder in Atlanta?

the near 400 homers, and ops over .900 not enough either?

I am curious why people would say he isn't a hall of famer

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He never lead the league any any positive offensive category. A superior defensive catcher or SS might get in without ever leading the league in any offensive category, but people want to see something more out of an outfielder.

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Originally Posted by dps

He never lead the league any any positive offensive category. A superior defensive catcher or SS might get in without ever leading the league in any offensive category, but people want to see something more out of an outfielder.

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Which is unfortunate, since players should ideally be judged based on their overall contribution, and Edmonds boasts a career that places him in the top 10 all-time among center fielders.

If he had his exact same career but as a left or right fielder, I wouldn't say he's a Hall of Famer because the offensive standards are higher in the corners, but as a center fielder, a 132 OPS+ with above average defense is just too special to ignore imo (though I know he will probably be ignored when his time comes on the ballot).

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Originally Posted by dps

He never lead the league any any positive offensive category. A superior defensive catcher or SS might get in without ever leading the league in any offensive category, but people want to see something more out of an outfielder.

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centerfield is what, the third toughest defensive position on the diamond? (correct me if that is wrong)

I would think a league great for a decade, and a guy that outplayed guys like Puckett deserve to get in. Even if he never lead the league in an offensive category, I think that is a very weak reason to not vote him into the hall. I believe I could find plenty of guys that have been voted in that never lead the league in any offensive categories that would be further down the defensive spectrum line.

I am still not seeing a sound argument that says he shouldn't get in.

the Cub fan I was debating says he doesn't 'feel' like a hall of famer.


what the ****? so because his national popularity wasn't high enough means he can't get into the hall.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

centerfield is what, the third toughest defensive position on the diamond? (correct me if that is wrong)

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4th. Catcher, shortstop, second base.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

the Cub fan I was debating says he doesn't 'feel' like a hall of famer.


what the ****? so because his national popularity wasn't high enough means he can't get into the hall.

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I actually think that's a requirement to get into the Hall of Fame.


Dear BBWA,

Please note a change to the rules when voting for a member of the Hall of Fame. Normally, we would ask you to simply judge on the players value throughout his career. Statistically, that is. But we've added a couple rules as listed below:

The player(s) must hereby be judged on his popularity within the game.

The player(s) must be named Derek Jeter or Nick Punto.



All the best,




Bud Selig, Commissioner of Baseball

lmao

I just have a hard time not seeing Edmonds as a hall of famer, sure he doesn't have the career counting stats, but he was absolutely elite when he played.

I am hoping that he can reach number 400 in Milwaukee to boost his hall chances, as well 2000 hits, but I am doubting he gets voted in, even though he easily deserves it. especially when looking at career WAR.