Should the Lakers trade Kobe???
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Should the Lakers trade Kobe???
Clearly, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
They're contenders this year. Even if he weren't to agree to a contract, why would the Twins trade their best player? Who could they get in return that would be worth Mauer and still help them contend this year? Wouldn't it be best just to play out the year with him and take 2 draft picks when he leaves for free agency?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I also don't think that there's "no way" Min agrees to a 7+ year contract.
Seriously, there has been no indication Mauer WON'T sign with the team so why not take your chances discussing a contract and if it doesn't work out then hey you get two draft picks.
Trading him though is, in my opinion, dumb. Unless some team literally gives you 6 of their top ten prospects it's not worth it.
you mean less than? Although I don't see what the big deal is as long as the contract structure works.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Fixed!Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
I mean that I don't think Minnesota is opposed to giving Mauer 7 or more years. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
I think dickay is scared he's not going to stay a catcher for the seven years and doesn't understand contract structures, /shrug.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Should the Colts trade Manning????
i think that would be worst, or at least a much worst thing to say to your fan base. I'd wait until midseason of course...if i feel I have a legit shot then "maybe" i keep him, but some of that depends on my feelings of the demands too. Not having a big payroll, they have to think long term not just one year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
They may be competitive for the division this year, but not for a WS title. I can't see letting him go for two unknown draft picks. I'd rather appease my fan base by bringing some top prospects who are closer to MLB ready. Look at what the Marlins got for Beckett who was nearing the end of his deal, Hanley Ramirez and co. They could maybe even do as the Marlins did and make the acquiring team take a bad contract (like Lowell).
I just don't like the idea of signing a catcher to a 7 plus year deal worth upwards of 20 mil per. He's had some injuries to knees and back if i'm not mistaken. As a small market, i just couldnt afford that liability.
If the Rangers and Rays give them 6 of their top 10 prospects.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
They're bumping their payroll up to 90M and opening a new stadium. If they can't afford him then that's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
i never said they wouldn't. :rolleyes: But why bother reading anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
clearly :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
I'd agree with you if the Twins played in the National League. And if you couldn't have front loaded contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Keeping your star player and letting him walk to free agency is worse than saying "We're going to trade our best player even though we're contenders."? Uh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I don't see why they wouldn't be competitive for the World Series title if they're good enough to get into the playoffs. I don't think giving up on the season - and trading your best player is doing that in any realistic scenario - is the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I'd rather appease my fan base by going for it all in the last year with the best player I'll have the luxury of having for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
His bat is more than good enough, and he more than athletic enough, to move to another position and still be among the best players in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
You said:Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Yes, sorry, I misread it as "No way is Min giving him a 7 year+ contract."Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
But, that's okay. Instead of just correcting me you'd rather be an ass.
I like your logic dickay. Giving up on the season because it's impossible to win in the playoffs and trading for maybe one impact player prospect and some throwins for half a year of Mauer and probably missing the playoffs because of it. Then, when that player is an impact, you can trade him for another impact player midway through your playoff run because the Yankees will still have the highest payroll and best players in the game in 5 years so what's the point of shooting for the World Series?
Actually, you know what, every team in the AL should just fold. None can beat the Yankees so what's the point?
to me, if he's not a catcher his value isn't the same. I realize he could be moved to 1st or DH. I just wouldn't want to pay all that coin long term for a catcher without alot of power (this 09 year was likely more of an aberration than the norm) who i may have to move because of knee or back lingering injuries. Who knows the toll taken on his body during catcher 3,4,5 more seasons? Would he be effective moved to 1st or DH? Again...I love Mauer, I just wouldn't want to pay that coin, as the twins, for at least 7 years maybe longer. Some teams can afford that risk IMO, the twins shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
or maybe its not quite as simple stupid as you wish to make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 200tang
Sorry, you are stupid and your 'logic' is 'illogical'.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
You're right.... he'd be a top 5/10 player rather than a top 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Oh, and by the way. A .330/.400/.500 player is an impact bat regardless of position. It doesn't matter if he's a catcher or not, although that obviously helps.
The Twins aren't small market. They can afford risks on possibly the best player they will have for 10 plus years. I personally see it as "we have a shot this year, let's go for it". They get two draft picks at the end if he walks, and there is still no indication he WON'T sign. It's not Matt Holliday in Colorado, he's from Minnesota, he's not a "I wanna play in a large market" guy. I can see the team and Mauer coming to an agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
And all indications are that they're close.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
If only they had listened to all the "experts" back in 2001. They could have avoided this whole mess altogether. :rolleyes: :D
why would anyone team trade their franchise/best player/Fan choice/M.V.P. Seriously guys dont post stupid ideas.
If you weren't a contending team (Padres), it makes sense. In this case, though, it would be idiotic especially because they're close to an agreement and he's FROM the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh123123123
Because your GM is Dayton Moore/Omar Minaya/Brian Sabean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh123123123
You're a Yankee fan right? You've never had to deal with this situation before, so your opinion holds less water in this discussion and your black and white stance makes me lean towards your opinion holding no water. It's not a "stupid idea". It's just a "stupid idea" in this context. In rebuilding mode it might make sense, although there are other players that would make more sense if one had to slash the payroll. I don't think the Twins are going to have to slash payroll. I think they can keep Mauer, Morneau, Nathan etc. I also know it's not a stupid idea because my team has just traded its best player ever in a deal that helped all four teams. It's the kind of deal teams make in a rebuilding phase, but for you that might as well be some as yet unnamed disease because you will never have to experience it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh123123123
A-rod-Texas
This is the first, and most likely last, time that I've seen anyone treat a post by josh#s seriosulyQuote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Pretty sure Texas was in dire straits financially when they traded him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh123123123
Pretty sure Josh jut brought up an example that refuted his own previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
More likely an opportunity to express my deep seated loathing of the general Yankee fan who can't understand why anyone would want to give up franchise player X and who sees the 25 teams outside of the AL East as farm teams that exist only for them to plunder should the "need" arise. :rolleyes: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
If you're going to trade your best player in the middle of a contending year because you're afraid that you can't win in the playoffs, what's the point? Why even bother to field a team and play baseball?
I already posted that. Don't worry, dickay filled me in on his 'logic'.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
But really, what IS the point? If you're going to just pretend like you can't win in the playoffs why even play the season? Might as well just call off the entire season and go straight to a Phillies/Yankees world series for the rest of time.
I think so yes. To me it says worse to let your best star walk for basically nothing, or at least the far off unknown. IMO, if they weren't about to go into a new stadium....they likely would've already begun talks to trade him. Its because of the new stadium that I think they will likely resign him. I say that because trading him, or letting him walk are both bad PR moves and going into a new stadium its really likely the worst move they could make.Quote:
Keeping your star player and letting him walk to free agency is worse than saying "We're going to trade our best player even though we're contenders."? Uh.
For the future of the team, I think its better to trade him than to resign him if the deal is in fact 7 plus years at around 20 per. Likely, they will resign him and I think the new stadium and PR is the sole reason...nothing to do with competing.
Fair enough....I just don't think playing for one season and letting a talent like him walk is the answer. And as I said...i think in their position its too risky and pricey a contract to sign.Quote:
I don't see why they wouldn't be competitive for the World Series title if they're good enough to get into the playoffs. I don't think giving up on the season - and trading your best player is doing that in any realistic scenario - is the answer.
I'm sure he is. He'd still be too pricey a contract for me. Likely 1/4th of my payroll as I don't see the twins maintaining a 90 mil payroll in coming years even with the new stadium. They've averages probably 65 mil per or less over the last 5 years. Even if it remains at 90 mil, his contract would be a significant portion of that.Quote:
His bat is more than good enough, and he more than athletic enough, to move to another position and still be among the best players in the game.
sucks having your mantra thrown in your face. You do realize you call people out for "not reading" many times a week in these threads lol?? And you constantly put words in my mouth, so forgive me please now that I get upset when it happens.Quote:
Yes, sorry, I misread it as "No way is Min giving him a 7 year+ contract."
But, that's okay. Instead of just correcting me you'd rather be an ass.
Thanks, these kind of childish comments are always so good for good forum discussion.Quote:
Sorry, you are stupid and your 'logic' is 'illogical'.
I agree with most of this, although obviously I dont' think its "stupid" to trade Mauer or that they won't have to slash payroll. Even if they keep it up around 90 mil over the next few years, you're talking about a guy thats nearly 1/4th of your payroll. I think he can bring back some great young prospects that they can keep on the cheap for many years in dealing Mauer. They can then keep some of their developing talent who won't ask for nearly as much or 7 plus year contracts. (btw, 7 years is the minimum for Mauer, rumors has the talks at around 10 years. outrageous IMO)Quote:
You're a Yankee fan right? You've never had to deal with this situation before, so your opinion holds less water in this discussion and your black and white stance makes me lean towards your opinion holding no water. It's not a "stupid idea". It's just a "stupid idea" in this context. In rebuilding mode it might make sense, although there are other players that would make more sense if one had to slash the payroll. I don't think the Twins are going to have to slash payroll. I think they can keep Mauer, Morneau, Nathan etc. I also know it's not a stupid idea because my team has just traded its best player ever in a deal that helped all four teams. It's the kind of deal teams make in a rebuilding phase, but for you that might as well be some as yet unnamed disease because you will never have to experience it.
I'd love it if they could keep him, and as I said...i think they will. However, I think there reasons for keeping him are more for their fan base going into a new stadium than for the fact they may be competitive this year.
because I think 1) if they are truly contending at midseason than even if trading him they may still be able to be competitive and 2) because to me letting a talent like him just walk is a sin and finally 3) because of 2, if they keep him they likely signed him and if I were their GM a 7-10 year deal near 20 mil per is just way too much for that teams long termQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar