Frank Thomas to officially retire

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...to-retire.html

Kinda sad to see guys you watched as kids growing old and leaving. I was a first basemen in little league and wore #35 because of Frank.

So like the article says, this might be the first big test about whether primary DH deserve to be in the Hall.

.301/.419/.555 521HR 1704RBI 156 OPS+

If you say no, then you're wrong.

HOF, for sure.........

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

HOF, for sure.........

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lol no way... have you ever even looked at his stats? Dude sucked...

521HR says it all.....................

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Originally Posted by Josh123123123

521HR says it all.....................

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No. He sucked. He couldn't hit for his life.

Failed trolling attempts by MG and FTB because Frank Thomas is awesome.

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Originally Posted by free2131

If you say no, then you're wrong.

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You're right. :D

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Originally Posted by FloydtheBarber

No. He sucked. He couldn't hit for his life.

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This.

Thomas is a no doubt about it hall of famer, but he may not get voted in.

Either way, I remember as a kid, he and Griffey were considered the best hitters in the A.L......I remember seeing pics of them standing together at first base and thinking...........damn..........those are the best, what if they were on the same team?



Everyone wanted Griffey and Thomas's rookie cards.

I'll tell you why he is in the hall of fame.

Bc he is the 42nd best position player of all time, right behind Sam Crawford, and currently Albert Pujols.

Wanna know the list of guys behind him in career WAR?

Arky Vaughn
Pete Rose
Paul Moliter
Frankie Frisch
Reggie Jackson
Paul Waner
Johnny Bench
Johnny Mize
Lou Whitaker
Brooks Robins
Derek Jeter
Barry Larkin
Tony Gwynn
Carlton Fisk
Duke Snider
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Jim Thome
Eddie Murray............shall I continue? because I even skipped several players in that list.............


thomas is a no doubt about it hall of famer, I hope writer's see that.

I think Thomas will sail in first ballot, but perhaps partially for the "wrong" reason - he's perceived as squeaky clean and has a history of being outspoken against steroid use as early as the mid-90's.

List of players with 10,000+ PAs, in descending order of OPS+:

1: Babe Ruth
2: Barry Bonds
3: Ty Cobb
4: Stan Musial
5: Tris Speaker
6: Frank Thomas
7: Willie Mays
8: Hank Aaron
9: Mel Ott
10: Frank Robinson

Yeah, 1st ballot, get the MFer in the hall.

alot of people have spoken out vehemently against roids and later were found users. i'm not saying he used....but he did play in the era. as such, his HR numbers alone being over that 500 mark are not enough, especially for a pretty much career DH.

he deserves the same scrutiny every other player who played during the era deserves. just because he was perceived as more vocal against their usage shouldn't matter.

i'm not saying he shouldn't be in the hof. i haven't looked at the numbers close enough to evaluate. i'm just saying the HR's alone aren't enough, as someone in this thread did. he's a DH...the bars automatically higher. he played during an era of elevated power numbers that were artificially enhanced. as jeffy eluded to...to many middle aged men Thomas and Griffey are close to immortals due to their being major parts of our upbrining into baseball. We've gotta put the fandom hat aside though when evaluating.

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Originally Posted by dickay

alot of people have spoken out vehemently against roids and later were found users. i'm not saying he used....but he did play in the era. as such, his HR numbers alone being over that 500 mark are not enough, especially for a pretty much career DH.

he deserves the same scrutiny every other player who played during the era deserves. just because he was perceived as more vocal against their usage shouldn't matter.

i'm not saying he shouldn't be in the hof. i haven't looked at the numbers close enough to evaluate. i'm just saying the HR's alone aren't enough, as someone in this thread did. he's a DH...the bars automatically higher. he played during an era of elevated power numbers that were artificially enhanced. as jeffy eluded to...to many middle aged men Thomas and Griffey are close to immortals due to their being major parts of our upbrining into baseball. We've gotta put the fandom hat aside though when evaluating.

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You should gander at HAC post right above yours. Steroid Era or not, hes in elite company.

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Originally Posted by dickay

alot of people have spoken out vehemently against roids and later were found users. i'm not saying he used....but he did play in the era. as such, his HR numbers alone being over that 500 mark are not enough, especially for a pretty much career DH.

he deserves the same scrutiny every other player who played during the era deserves. just because he was perceived as more vocal against their usage shouldn't matter.

i'm not saying he shouldn't be in the hof. i haven't looked at the numbers close enough to evaluate. i'm just saying the HR's alone aren't enough, as someone in this thread did. he's a DH...the bars automatically higher. he played during an era of elevated power numbers that were artificially enhanced. as jeffy eluded to...to many middle aged men Thomas and Griffey are close to immortals due to their being major parts of our upbrining into baseball. We've gotta put the fandom hat aside though when evaluating.

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Got nothing to do with DH, HR totals, or steroids (era or stance).

You can't fudge OPS+. It compares numbers to the league average at the time. And over 10,000 PAs (which is an enormous amount of time), Frank Thomas was a more exceptional hitter for his era than Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Sure, the bar is higher for a DH. Frank Thomas is one of the 20 best hitters of all-time, maybe even the top 10.

Frank Thomas is actually underrated compared to how good he truly was because he was never part of a home run race. He and Griffey are considered immortal because they truly had immortal production.