Greatest Outfield Arms

According to Prime 9 of all time

reputation carrying....not really statistical based.

You can't base it on assists, mainly because people stop running on them.

Someone want to bring out sabr numbers to help?

9. Vlad
8. Larry Walker (apparently baited guys a lot)
7. Ellis Valentine
6. Dwight Evans
5. Carl Furillo
4. Jose Guillen
3. Ichiro
2. J. Barfield
1. R. Clemente


what I found as OF arm ratings (for a career, so it's sort of a counting stat)
Vlad 33
L. Walker 55
E. Valentine 37 (78 was ridiculous)
D. Evans 53
Furillo 10 (not really complete, played before the stat was fully used)
J. Guillen -1 :eek:
Ichiro 34
Barfield 67
R. Clemente 83

of course, it is hard to rate the guys that played prior to 1950

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...1&d=1229144917
Raul Ibanez wins it walking away

There was a pretty good study on OF kills & stopping runners from advancing in trying to rank the best arms, but it was just for 2008, I believe.

Ichiro's arm looks to have gotten worse as he's gotten older, but a lot of that was from reputation and runners rarely running on him. As such, we'd still count preventing runners as part of defense, but it's extremely tough to point out how many runners were deterred by Ichiro's reputation.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-arms-of-2008/

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The best center field arm in 2008, on a per-opportunity basis, belongs to 23-year-old Matt Kemp who patrols the middle garden at Chavez Ravine. Here's how Kemp did it:

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Someone posted a study on all the top minor leaguer arms....where is that post?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Someone posted a study on all the top minor leaguer arms....where is that post?

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I'm Jeffy, I never ask for anything. I'd rather work for it myself.

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&so...meta=&aq=f&oq=

It took me a second to realize it was .dk

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Originally Posted by 200tang

It took me a second to realize it was .dk

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Yeah, that's little bit annoying. It'd be nice if you could specify instead of having it assume. But it forces at lære mig Dansk.

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Originally Posted by filihok

I'm Jeffy, I never ask for anything. I'd rather work for it myself.

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&so...meta=&aq=f&oq=

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I meant on this forum :rolleyes:

but I do appreciate your never ending dedication to being a constant prick to me.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I meant on this forum :rolleyes:

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Well, ok then. Good luck finding it. I'll assume you didn't click the link I provided then.

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but I do appreciate your never ending dedication to being a constant prick to me.

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how about

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maybe

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got it,

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no...I'll just go with...

If you appreciate it it takes half of the fun out of it.

Looks like I'll have to be twice as constant.

I saw your link, it's the comment that you attach to the link.


sigh, I don't care. I just don't see why you constantly always have to say smart ass **** to me.

where is bo jackson? greatest arm ive seen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bo_Jackson

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Though certainly Bo was known as a power hitter, he is probably best remembered in Kansas City for his arm strength and subsequent ability to throw out a runner at the plate, from the warning track.

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Originally Posted by dickay

where is bo jackson? greatest arm ive seen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bo_Jackson

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Outfield arm, career rated a '7' in terms of the stats placed earlier.

curious jeffy how they rate these? total assists is a horrid way, as great arms aren't run on as much so the chances may be limited. Also dependant upon the position one played in the OF the chances also might be limited. I don't see a good way of measuring this, just subjectivity.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Outfield arm, career rated a '7' in terms of the stats placed earlier.

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and "career" isn't the best way of measuring it either. obviously injury altered Bo's stats career wise.

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Originally Posted by dickay

and "career" isn't the best way of measuring it either. obviously injury altered Bo's stats career wise.

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http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/j/jackb001.htm

I don't know how you are supposed to measure it. Put them all on a radar gun and then see who can also get the best distances with the most accuracy? Not really sure. But I am positive that big league clubs know of a way to do it everyday. And stat junkies seem to know of a way.

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Originally Posted by dickay

curious jeffy how they rate these? total assists is a horrid way, as great arms aren't run on as much so the chances may be limited. Also dependant upon the position one played in the OF the chances also might be limited. I don't see a good way of measuring this, just subjectivity.

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My understanding is that it has to do with how many runners advanced on hits/fly balls to the particular player. So if people stop running against a particular player, they still have a good arm rating. It will be rated as compared to the average at the specific outfield position - so you would need to adjust for variation across the positions.

As for career vs. year-by-year, I think that you would probably need at least 5 years to get a decent sample. But I could see comparing player's best 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/j/jackb001.htm

I don't know how you are supposed to measure it. Put them all on a radar gun and then see who can also get the best distances with the most accuracy? Not really sure. But I am positive that big league clubs know of a way to do it everyday. And stat junkies seem to know of a way.

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i know where you're getting the number from, but it doesn't make much sense to me. others with much larger numbers have less assists per game. I don't know what other matrix they are using. I will say a problem with Bo is that he would often skip the cutoff man...i don't know if that is somehow playing a part???

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Originally Posted by dickay

i know where you're getting the number from, but it doesn't make much sense to me. others with much larger numbers have less assists per game. I don't know what other matrix they are using. I will say a problem with Bo is that he would often skip the cutoff man...i don't know if that is somehow playing a part???

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Assists are far from the only factor. A player with a great arm may have few assists because runners never go for the extra base on him, while a player with a weak arm may rack up assists because runners always test him. The site doesn't have a full calculation of the stat, but:

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ofArm - Outfielder arm ratings, from how many baserunners they allow to advance, hold, or throw out compared to average based on opportunities

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I think a lot of people come up with about the same greatest arms of all time, but worst arms of all time is more interesting, haha.

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Originally Posted by rschusta24

I think a lot of people come up with about the same greatest arms of all time, but worst arms of all time is more interesting, haha.

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lol

http://3.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kup...fz9do1_400.jpghttp://www.jpbutler.com/sox-yankees-...n-throwing.jpg

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Originally Posted by rschusta24

i think a lot of people come up with about the same greatest arms of all time, but worst arms of all time is more interesting, haha.

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I will always think of Dave Parker, because he was shown in the This Week In Baseball credits throwing from right field to home plate on a line (no bounces, if I remember right) to nail a runner. I loved that throw.

Rick Ankiel is getting somewhat ignored here....or am I just over rating his arm?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Rick Ankiel is getting somewhat ignored here....or am I just over rating his arm?

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I always refer to that Rockies game where he absolutely hosed two runners from the warning track in Colorado. AMAZING. But of course, I don't think he is really in the same conversation as the ones originally stated.

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Originally Posted by rschusta24

I always refer to that Rockies game where he absolutely hosed two runners from the warning track in Colorado. AMAZING. But of course, I don't think he is really in the same conversation as the ones originally stated.

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In the episode of Prime Nine they were showing, the two throws by Ankiel, by the naked eye, seem to rival the best one's thrown by anybody.

Visual opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

In the episode of Prime Nine they were showing, the two throws by Ankiel, by the naked eye, seem to rival the best one's thrown by anybody.

Visual opinion of course.

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Of course. I'd take Ankiel's arm today.

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Originally Posted by rschusta24

I think a lot of people come up with about the same greatest arms of all time, but worst arms of all time is more interesting, haha.

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any player who has his throw cut off by another OF'er (who has a bad arm himself) is the automatic winner for this award. So yes, that means Damon.

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Originally Posted by dickay

any player who has his throw cut off by another OF'er (who has a bad arm himself) is the automatic winner for this award. So yes, that means Damon.

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Hahaha. Love it.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Rick Ankiel is getting somewhat ignored here....or am I just over rating his arm?

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overrating him. I'd take Soriano's arm over Ankiel's arm.

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Originally Posted by filihok

Yeah, that's little bit annoying. It'd be nice if you could specify instead of having it assume. But it forces at lære mig Dansk.

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Why do you randomly put foreign phrases into posts? Do you expect us to know what they mean?

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Originally Posted by rschusta24

I always refer to that Rockies game where he absolutely hosed two runners from the warning track in Colorado. AMAZING. But of course, I don't think he is really in the same conversation as the ones originally stated.

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Over all your right...but those were damn good throws.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Why do you randomly put foreign phrases into posts? Do you expect us to know what they mean?

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We're on the internet, use it; or just ignore the phrases.

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Originally Posted by 200tang

overrating him. I'd take Soriano's arm over Ankiel's arm.

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Which Soriano?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Which Soriano?

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Alfonso.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Why do you randomly put foreign phrases into posts? Do you expect us to know what they mean?

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I didn't really understand it fully, but it was something about learning Danish I think.

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Originally Posted by 200tang

Alfonso.

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you would take Alfonso Soriano's arm over Rick Ankiel's? Sarcasm?

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

you would take Alfonso Soriano's arm over Rick Ankiel's? Sarcasm?

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No. He has a really good arm. He's had an extremely good arm since shifting in to LF. In 2008 he had the best LF arm, easily. He may not be a great defensive OF, but it's not because of his arm.