Required reading (Re: The Contest)

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/1/3...r-for-the-sake

The criticism wasn't specifically regarding signing Tatis. Rather, it was a criticism of the entire process that included a plan to enter the season with a Murphy/Tatis platoon while wasting resources on Gary Matthews Jr. that could've been spent on a better first basemen.

It's funny because even the comments are telling him he's wrong. Not even any love on your own site. At least he has MG, though.

And no, unlike what the original article stated, Ryan Garko is absolutely not the solution at first base.

FYI also, it's going to be mostly Murphy at first base if I understand correctly. Tatis was signed because he can play 6 positions decently and can hit respectably.

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And no, unlike what the original article stated, Ryan Garko is absolutely not the solution at first base.

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He's better than Murphy, or a Murphy/Tatis platoon.

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FYI also, it's going to be mostly Murphy at first base if I understand correctly.

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Yeah! Belowleague average hitter at first base! Awesome!!!

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Tatis was signed because he can play 6 positions decently and can hit respectably.

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Having played 6 positions in the past does not mean he can play 6 positions decently.

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Having played 6 positions in the past does not mean he can play 6 positions decently.

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He plays a good enough 1B, 3B, LF, RF, I guess 2B and SS are debatable.

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He plays a good enough 1B, 3B, LF, RF, I guess 2B and SS are debatable.

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He's played like 5 games each at 2B and SS, and is an average at best corner man and is 35 years old. He can't play 2B and SS decently unless decently means "can stand in the field at that position for a couple of innings if absolutely needed" in which case Adam Dunn is a decent fielder.

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Yeah! Belowleague average hitter at first base! Awesome!!!

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I couldn't care less what he hits. We have plenty of big boppers in our lineup. I know however that he at least last year played a very strong defensive first base.

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I couldn't care less what he hits.

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And this is why nobody listens to you.

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We have plenty of big boppers in our lineup.

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Uh, yeah. :rolleyes: lol

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I know however that he at least last year played a very strong defensive first base.

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Good for him. He's still not good.

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He's played like 5 games each at 2B and SS, and is an average at best corner man and is 35 years old. He can't play 2B and SS decently unless decently means "can stand in the field at that position for a couple of innings if absolutely needed" in which case Adam Dunn is a decent fielder.

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Yep I'm sorry. Fernando Tatis is awful. Ryan Garko is amazing. The Mets stand no chance in 2010 and will lose 100 games at least. I apologize for going against all of your infallible opinions.

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Yep I'm sorry. Fernando Tatis is awful. Ryan Garko is amazing. The Mets stand no chance in 2010 and will lose 100 games at least. I apologize for going against all of your infallible opinions.

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Brush up on your reading comprehension and stop reading what you want to read and read what is actually written.

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And this is why nobody listens to you.

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OH MY GOD.... when I stress hitting over defense, nope wrong... when I stress defense over hitting, nope still wrong... stop contradicting me just for your own sake

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Uh, yeah. :rolleyes: lol

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Jason Bay, Carlos Beltran, David Wright, Jose Reyes

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Good for him. He's still not good.

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Metsguy234 (11:07:18 AM): if I told you "Why the **** did the Mets sign Fernando Tatis, he sucks" you'd be defending him

straightoutofhxc (11:07:26 AM): because that would be retarded too.


If this **** continues, I'm leaving. I can say "the sky is blue" and you'll find a reason to contradict me.

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OH MY GOD.... when I stress hitting over defense, nope wrong... when I stress defense over hitting, nope still wrong... stop contradicting me just for your own sake

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I'm not. I don't stress defense over hitting or hitting over defense. I stress overall value.

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Metsguy234 (11:07:18 AM): if I told you "Why the **** did the Mets sign Fernando Tatis, he sucks" you'd be defending him

straightoutofhxc (11:07:26 AM): because that would be retarded too.

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Because Fernando Tatis doesn't suck and signing him wasn't stupid in and of itself.

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If this **** continues, I'm leaving. I can say "the sky is blue" and you'll find a reason to contradict me.

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No.

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Because Fernando Tatis doesn't suck and signing him wasn't stupid in and of itself.

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So... you're attacking him... but he doesn't suck... but he's not good... but you're defending him


You're contradicting yourself multiple times in the SAME THREAD

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So... you're attacking him... but he doesn't suck... but he's not good... but you're defending him

You're contradicting yourself multiple times in the SAME THREAD

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No, I'm not. Like I said, you are unable to comprehend, apparently.

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The criticism wasn't specifically regarding signing Tatis. Rather, it was a criticism of the entire process that included a plan to enter the season with a Murphy/Tatis platoon while wasting resources on Gary Matthews Jr. that could've been spent on a better first basemen.

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Please tell me the "better first baseman" that they could have signed.

And wait... they're only paying GMJ 1.5 million per year. For a big market team, that's not exactly "wasting resources".

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Please tell me the "better first baseman" that they could have signed.

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Already did.

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And wait... they're only paying GMJ 1.5 million per year. For a big market team, that's not exactly "wasting resources".

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That's money that could've been used to sign a better first basemen.... you know, as I've said already.

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Already did.


That's money that could've been used to sign a better first basemen.... you know, as I've said already.

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Sabean has job security because of the season the Giants are having. He seems to be a very hit or miss type GM, and I think his misses outweigh his hits. He has excelled at assembling a pitching staff, particularly recently with the likes of Lincecum and Cain, but until Sandoval and Posey, the Giants hadn't produced a position player from their system in something like a decade, and that's a huge part of the reason why their offense is so bad. He's made some terrible signings - Michael Tucker a while ago moments before the arbitration deadline, costing the Giants a draft pick that they would've kept had he waited for the deadline to pass before signing Tucker, Barry Zito of course...and some terrible trades, most famously the A.J. Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser deal, but also the two trades this year for Freddy Sanchez and Ryan Garko. For a while, he had some weird fetish with old veterans, signing tons of mid-30's players and hoping for the best...and that sort of works when you have the best hitter in history at his peak playing for you, but once that guy's gone, it leaves a team of over-the-hill nobodies...Lots of negatives, and I don't think his positives are anything special.

Minaya is a so-so GM but the injuries this year highlighted the extreme lack of depth that is partially his fault.

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I love how literally that whole post fits this situation.

I don't get your point?

You said the Garko trade was terrible, and that Omar Minaya was an okay GM, but that he needed to work on adding more depth.

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You said the Garko trade was terrible

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Your point?

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and that Omar Minaya was an okay GM, but that he needed to work on adding more depth.

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I said he was a so-so GM. My opinion of him has soured since I wrote that (and remember, it wasn't a high opinion then).

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Your point?


I said he was a so-so GM. My opinion of him has soured since I wrote that (and remember, it wasn't a high opinion then).

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1) You said Garko would be a good fit for the Mets at 1B.

2) Why?

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1) You said Garko would be a good fit for the Mets at 1B.

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I said he'd be better than Murphy/Tatis and is probably the best option left available.

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2) Why?

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Because of the multiple front office mishaps (the Tony Bernazard incident, issue with Carlos Beltran, etc.) and his offseason.

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Because of the multiple front office mishaps (the Tony Bernazard incident, issue with Carlos Beltran, etc.) and his offseason.

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I think his offseason has been pretty okay. He filled a hole in left field (Bay), he made a couple of bad pickups (GMJ, Cora) for pretty low prices, he made a bunch of solid signings for the major league club (Blanco, Igarashi, Escobar, Tatis), and signed some minor league depth (Fogg, Catalanotto, Hessman, Everts, etc).

Also, how the hell is what Tony Bernazard did his fault?

You guys might not have needed to sign all that shitty depth if you guys hadn't traded it all to the Mariners. WOOT!

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I think his offseason has been pretty okay. He filled a hole in left field (Bay)

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By overpaying.

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he made a bunch of solid signings for the major league club (Blanco, Igarashi, Escobar, Tatis) and signed some minor league depth (Fogg, Catalanotto, Hessman, Everts, etc)

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Oh! Great GM!

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Also, how the hell is what Tony Bernazard did his fault?

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It's part of a series of issues that indicates that the FO just simply isn't very organized.

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By overpaying.

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I'd rather overpay for Bay than have a lesser player in left field.

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Oh! Great GM!

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Uh... considering depth was one of our major problems last year... yeah it was pretty good that he's working on that.

Look, I'm not saying he's the best GM in the world. He's just not as mindblowingly terrible as you guys make him out to be.

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You guys might not have needed to sign all that shitty depth if you guys hadn't traded it all to the Mariners. WOOT!

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You guys didn't get anything too great from us in that trade.

A backup OF (who is a FA now anyway), a meh 1B prospect who was trapped behind Ike Davis in NY, a good OF prospect, a solid pitching prospect, and Jason Vargas.

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You guys didn't get anything too great from us in that trade.

A backup OF (who is a FA now anyway), a meh 1B prospect who was trapped behind Ike Davis in NY, a good OF prospect, a solid pitching prospect, and Jason Vargas.

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That's called depth.

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I'd rather overpay for Bay than have a lesser player in left field.

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Even if it wasn't a long term deal, I'd agree.

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Uh... considering depth was one of our major problems last year... yeah it was pretty good that he's working on that.

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Signing 30 year olds to round out the AAA roster isn't what anybody means by "depth."

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Look, I'm not saying he's the best GM in the world. He's just not as mindblowingly terrible as you guys make him out to be.

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He's mediocre if you're being very generous.

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Signing 30 year olds to round out the AAA roster isn't what anybody means by "depth."

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Well what is "depth" then? Do we need veritable all-stars waiting in AAA?

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Well what is "depth" then? Do we need veritable all-stars waiting in AAA?

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Yep. That's what I said.

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Yep. That's what I said.

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You said 30 year-old players in AAA don't count as true "depth". What does count as depth then?

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You said 30 year-old players in AAA don't count as true "depth". What does count as depth then?

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I should've said "crappy 30+ year old players."

Having decent backups and upside plays is depth.

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I should've said "crappy 30+ year old players."

Having decent backups and upside plays is depth.

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What is an upside play?

Catalanotto is 10 LBS of suck stuffed into a 5LB sack...

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What is an upside play?

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A guy that has upside.

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A guy that has upside.

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lol

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A guy that has upside.

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So signing veterans to minor league deals is a bad thing?

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So signing veterans to minor league deals is a bad thing?

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This is what I mean by reading comprehension.