I don't see where anyone said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
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I don't see where anyone said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It is factual that they are pretty much useless for evaluating a player's ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Shut the hell up. There's plenty of factual evidence why RBIs are a useless stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
I want proof that RBIs are a useless stat.
You won't pay attention to said proof anyways, so what does it matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Like etothep said, and like I've said to you metsguy multiple times on the forums and on AIM, disliking/disagreeing with a particular advanced stat or stats is perfectly fine. Sabermetric writers routinely debate the value of a variety of different stats. There is a difference between that and arguing against stuff that you have no idea about by making repeated ignorant/stupid statements.
You don't get to tell me RBIs are useless unless I get some proof of that statement.
They show virtually no correlation from year to year, and they depend wholly on the ability and actions of other players. Thus, they say virtually nothing about a player's individual ability, and are worthless. QED.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I think it's pretty important to drive in runs.
If a guy hits .300/.400/.500 but doesn't drive in a single run, he's worthless.
An RBI is really good at telling me what players drove in the most runners for a given year. I'd actually say that RBI's are THE BEST stat for telling me that information.
Actually, no, you're wrong, and that is completely without context and that is the problem with RBI. IF a guy hits .300/.400/.500 and never drives in a run, that likely means that he never had guys on base for him, which is NOT due to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Yes, but they are useless for evaluating a player's ability. They tell you one very specific thing that is highly dependent on things outside of the player himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Oh, and, on top of that, even in that situation, chances are he's SCORED runs, and therefore was not "worthless." If he scored no runs, that means the teammates behind him sucked and he never hit home runs (and thus would have had to hit a boatload of doubles and triples to get a .500 SLG :rolleyes:), but was still not worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
If a player hits that and doesn't drive in a run, well for one that's virtually impossible. For two, that would be because no one was ever on base in front of him.
There is also very little year-to-year correlation with the ability to hit with RISP above or below the baseline rate.